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Please add any information that would help people
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Army Records
Google

WW2talk.com
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Berkeley, Thornbury and Gloucestershire
Website for information on family's in Berkeley,

www.scibes-alcove.co.uk
And you can view BMD and 1871 census for free

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BIRTH

For the father to be named on the birth certificated when the couple are not married either

1 He is present at the registration
2 he provides a written consent for his name to be included
3 The mother makes a 'declaration'

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BOARD ABBREVIATIONS a few of the many....


atm = at the moment
brb = be right back
AFAIK As Far As I Know
AFK Away From Keyboard
ASAP As Soon As Possible
BBL Be Back Later
BBN Bye Bye Now
BBS Be Back Soon
BRB Be Right Back
BTW By The Way
CNP... Continued in Next Post
EMSG Email Message
FYI For Your Information
GFN Gone For Now
GMTA Great Minds Think Alike
IC I See
IMO In My Opinion
IMHO In My Humble Opinion
IRL In Real Life
JMO Just My Opinion
JTLYK Just To Let You Know
KIT Keep In Touch
L8R Later
LHU Lord Help Us
LOL Laugh Out Loud
OIC Oh, I See
OTTOMH Off The Top of My Head
PM Private Message
PMFJI Pardon Me For Jumping In
QSL Reply
QSO Conversation
SETE Smiling Ear To Ear
SYS See You Soon
TA Thanks Again
TOY Thinking Of You
TTYL Talk To you Later
WB Welcome Back
AAMOF = As A Matter Of Fact
ADN = Any Day Now
AFK = Away From Keyboard
ASAP =As Soon As Possible
A/S/C =Age/Sex/Check
A/S/S/C =Age/Sex/State/Check
ATK =At the Keyboard
BAC =By Any Chance
BAK =Back At Keyboard
BBL =Be Back Later
BBS =Be Back Soon
BFN =Bye For Now
BRB =Be Right Back
BTW =By The Way
DIL =Daughter In Law
FAAK =Falling Asleep At Keyboard
FIL =Father In Law
FWIW =For What It's Worth
FYI =For Your Information
GMTA =Great Minds Think Alike
GR8 =Great
HTH =Hope This Helps
IAE =In Any Event
IDK =I Don't Know/I Didn't Know
IMHO =In My Humble Opinion
IMNSHO =In My Not So Humble Opinion
IOW =In Other Words
IRL =In Real Life
ITA =I Totally Agree
LOL =Laughing Out Loud
MYOB =Mind Your Own Business
NRN =No Reply Necessary
OIC =Oh I See
OTOH =On The Other Hand
PC/PVT/MSG =Private Chat/Messaging
POV =Point Of View
SIL =Son In Law (or SoIL) sister in law
SITD =Still In The Dark
SS = So Sorry
TBD OOTD =To Be Done, One Of These Days!
TIC = Tongue in Cheek
TPTB =The Powers That Be
UFO =Un-Finished Object
UPGS =Unfinished Project Guilt Syndrome
WB =Write Back
WBS =Write Back Soon
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BOOKMARKING

If you find something that you would like to keep
Then Bookmark it!

You need to open the thread first
Then go to Yellow Box on left hand side of screen (Man in a Top Hat) and click Bookmark This!

Then whatever it is you have Bookmarked will go in your Bookmarks thread which is also in the yellow box.

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BVRI Index
BVRI is a set of 16 discs that you can purchase from the LDS Church via the Familysearch site. They contain christenings and marriages from various parishes in England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales. They usually cover those not on the IGI but there is a little overlap. They contain 10.4 million christenings and 1.9 million marriages, dated 1530-1906.

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CENSUS RECORDS

Census records began in 1801 and were taken every ten years, but very few returns before 1841 survive. There is a 100-year closure on personal information from the returns,

The first four censuses (1801-1831) were mainly statistical (that is, they were mainly headcounts and contained virtually no personal information).

The 1841 Census, conducted by the General Register Office, was the first to record the names of everyone in a household or institution. However, their relationship to the head of the household wasn’t noted, although sometimes this can be inferred from the occupation shown (eg servant). Those under the age of 15 had their proper ages listed, but for those who were older the ages were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest five years, although this rule was not strictly adhered to. Precise birthplaces were not given - at best the birthplace can be narrowed down to the county in which the person was living.

From 1851 onwards the census shows the exact age and relationship to the head of household for each individual; the place of birth was also listed, but with varying degrees of precision. Sometimes those who were born abroad have the annotation B.S. or British Subject.

The censuses are reasonably accurate. However, ages in particular are frequently shown incorrectly, though often the difference is only one year; in general the younger the individual the more accurate the age shown. Birthplaces often vary from one census to the next: a common error is to show the place where the census was taken as the birthplace, but most of the variations in birthplace can be accounted for by changes in geographical scale (for example, the nearest town being shown instead of the precise village, or a city being shown instead of the relevant suburb).

The censuses are also remarkably complete - though inevitably a small percentage of the population wasn’t recorded for one reason or another, and in some cases the records are missing or damaged (notably in 1861). Furthermore, all censuses of Ireland before 1901 have been lost or destroyed.

Because of World War II, there was no census in 1941. However, following the passage into law (on 5 September 1939) of the National Registration Act a population count was carried out on 29 September 1939, which was, in effect, a census.

DEATH CERTIFICATE (English)will tell you:-

Name of dead person (as known to informant)
Age of dead person (as known to informant)
Date of death
Cause of death
Marital status of dead person (as known to informant)
Place where death occurred
Who certified death
Informant's name, occupation and whether present at death
If there was a coroner's inquest, and the result of that inquest
Registrar's signature.
Name, age, marital status ... all depend on what information the dead person told people while they were still alive!!

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DEATH CERTIFICATES

A death certificate is a document issued by a government official such as a registrar of vital statistics that declares the date, location and cause of a person's death.

Each governmental jurisdiction prescribes the form of the document for use in its purview and the procedures necessary to legally produce it. One purpose of the certificate is to review the cause of death to determine if foul-play occurred. It may also be required in order to arrange a burial or cremation, to prove a person's will or to claim on a person's life insurance.

Before issuing a death certificate, the authorities usually require a certificate from a physician or coroner to validate the cause of death and the identity of the deceased. In cases where it is not completely clear that a person is dead (usually because their body is being sustained by life support), a neurologist is often called in to verify brain death and to fill out the appropriate documentation. The failure of a physician to immediately submit the required form to the government (to trigger issuance of the death certificate) is often both a crime and cause for loss of one's license to practice. This is because of past scandals in which dead people continued to receive public benefits or "voted" in elections.

Death certificates may also be issued pursuant to a court order or an executive order in the case of individuals who have been declared dead in absentia. Missing persons and victims of mass disasters (such as the sinking of the RMS Lusitania) may be issued death certificates in one of these manners.

In some jurisdictions, a police officer is allowed to sign a death certificate. This is usually when the cause of death seems obvious and no foul play is suspected, such as a home accident or SIDS. In such cases, an autopsy is rarely performed.
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DUBLIN 1911 Census on line NOW

Go to www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ and search!

When you've found one that is 'yours' then click on Household Return (Form A), Page 1 to see the census image.
It also tells you how many child born alive and how many still living.


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Electoral Register then google
192 Online Electoral Register and Phone Directory
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Electoral Roll FREE!!
www.b4usearch.com/
Will be soon up & running for FREE Electoral Roll search for 2006/7. Just register & they will email you when it starts
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FRENCH INFORMATION
Google
genealogy.about.com/od/france

GEDCOM

A GEDCOM file is a file used to transfer family history reseach between different programmes, computers, websites and researchers.
GEDCOM files are not a 'tree' as such but can be used to create a printed tree when opened with software which can use the information they contain.
They contain text only, images, photographs and census images etc will NOT be included in a GEDCOM file but the all important names, dates, relationships etc are included.

How are they created?
To create a GEDCOM you do not need a family tree programme installed, if for example you have a tree on GR then you can 'export' your tree from GR as a gedcom file to your hard drive. However if you wish to use the GEDCOM file you will need some software installed to allow you to 'open' the file in the first place.
A GEDCOM from GR is sent as an e-mail attachment, without the additional software the file cannot be used but you can send the file to another site (such as tribal pages for example). This allows you to have a tree on another site without having to enter all the details manually.


For those of you who do have a software programme you can create a GEDCOM from your software package, this file can be 'exported' (sent) from your computer to another site, or sent to someone else who you wish to share your research with.

Additionaly software users can create a GEDCOM file of a specific part of their entire file, for instance you may wish to create a file for a distant relative based on your research into a specific surname within your tree and omit the names of unconnected branches.



So a GEDCOM file is a handy way to quickly share your file (or a part of it) elsewhere via the internet.

Receiving a file

Those of you who don't have a software package will find some problems if you receive a file, you can't open a file as a "tree" but you can open a file as a text document in either Word or Notepad. However if you do so then you will find even a very small file is a long document and extremely difficult to understand.

One option you have is to upload the file to a site (eg GR) BUT if you do so your existing tree will be overwritten. This means that your existing tree on GR for example will no longer available to you.
An option is to have a second membership and view the tree with the second membership but this is not an ideal situation.

For those of you who do have a software package you have several options.
It is possible to keep the gedcom as a separate tree on your software or to 'merge' the gedcom file into your existing tree.

Note though that you should keep the files separate until you can verify how accurate the details are, better to do that than add a file of say 100 names with dubious/incorrect dates and places etc.

ACCURACY OF INFORMATION SHOULD ALWAYS BE YOUR OBJECTIVE. BETTER A TREE OF 200 NAMES WITH CORRECT DETAILS THAN 1000 NAMES WITH ERRORS THROUGHOUT.

It is possible to verfiy parts of the gedcom and incorporate those parts whilst leaving the remaining unverified parts 'unmerged' if you need to.

You can also 'merge' any additional information from the file you wish, for instance notes for an individual can either be included in the merge or omitted, the same applies to census references and sources of information etc. Include those additional notes you wish to keep and exclude those that you do not want. Full details of how these can be included/omitted can be found with your software package.


As mentioned above, a GEDCOM file can be used without a software package, but your best option is to use some form of software.

For less than the cost of GR membership it is possible to buy a programme with all the bells and whistles, it will allow you to control what information you disclose to someone and allows you to withhold information about living relations or distant vranches if you wish.*****Update, check the price for the latest offers on software, typically the price is around the £10 mark but prices are subject to change********

Those who use software have the peace of mind that they can create a backup of their tree and view/print their tree without an internet connection and without relying on a third party as the only place to store your tree.

Just think for the cost of a certificate YOU CAN ENSURE YOU NEVER LOSE YOUR TREE INFORMATION AND ALSO REMOVE THE PROBLEMS OF TREE VIEWS ETC.

If GR were to 'lose' your tree there is no value attached to the tree, the months and years of work can vanish in moments and if you rtely solely on GR COULD YOU GET IT THE INFORMATION BACK EASILY?

Spend the money, use the GEDCOMS and protect yourself against loss of information.

Taken from Glen In fresh Tinsel Knickers on Tips board

GERMAN INFORMATION
Google http://genealogy.about.com/od/germany/

Research your German ancestry with this collection of genealogy and family history records


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IGI Index
International Genealogical Index
found on:

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

It is a database of mostly baptisms, births and marriage records put together by the Latter Day Saints church. It covers parishes all over the country, and also that some places are very well covered by the Index whilst other places do not appear.
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IRISH INFORMATION
The following website will give you the up to date picture where all the Irish Records are on line at present, and it does include: Leitrim, Armagh, Roscommon, North Tipperary. and Dublin Swords:

http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/

The following are new sites added recently

http://corknortheast.brsgenealogy.com/

To access the site you will have to register which is free. The sting in the tail comes later! The site is name search and then a fee of 10 Euros for each throw of the dice. Great for those with unusual Irish names, but could be costly for those with names like Murphy and O'Neill!

Still it is yet more Irish records online and now follows the North Tipperary, Swords, Amagh and Roscommon sites
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ITALIAN RECORDS
Familysearch.org have some records
http://genealogy.about.com/od/italy/a/family_tree.htm
http://www.anzwers.org/free/italiangen/free_genealogy_research.html
http://www.italiangen.org/default.htm
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/Rg/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=G1&Guide=LGItalian.ASP
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LOST PHOTOS
Trying to re-unite photographs with the family

www.lostphotos.sgrboards.org

you may post photo
post a message

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MARRIAGE via Certificate.

This is where one of the partners
Is not able to attend the reading of the Banns.
( due to being of an other faith )

So appoints a member of the Registrars staff
To sit in to hear them
Then a certificate is issued
Usually Marriage register is marked :~

“ By Certificate of the Registrar.”

By the way “ via Licence” can also be in a Church

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MIGRATION RECORDS
FINDMYPAST has these records

Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960 - In association with The National Archives
Register of passport applications 1851-1933
Bengal Civil Service Gradation List 1869
India Office List 1933
East India Register & Army List 1855
Indian Army & Civil Service List 1873
East India Company's Commercial Marine Service Pensions List 1793-1833

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MILITARY RECORDS
FINDMYPAST have these on their site


All military records 1656-1994
Soldiers Died in the Great War 1914-18
National Roll of the Great War 1914-18
Army Roll of Honour 1939-45
Other army lists roll calls 1656-1888
Armed forces births 1761-1994
Armed forces marriages 1818-1994
Armed forces deaths 1796-1994
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NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE


The National Health Service Act 1946 came into effect on 5 July 1948. Private health care has continued parallel to the NHS, paid for largely by private insurance,

NATIONAL INSURANCE

(NI) is a system of taxes and related social security benefits in the United Kingdom. It was first introduced in 1911, and expanded by the government of Clement Attlee in 1946. The tax component of the system consists of taxes paid by employees and employers on weekly earnings and other benefits-in-kind; the self-employed are taxed based upon profits. Such taxes are said to be National Insurance Contributions (NICs).

The benefit component of the system is a number of contributory benefits, that is ones where the claimant's previous contribution record determines the availability and amount of the benefit paid. The benefits provided are weekly income benefits and some lump sum benefits to participants upon death, retirement, unemployment, maternity and disability.


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OLD AGE PENSION

The first old age pension was handed out in September 1908
For the over 70's
It was five shillings, worth about 25% of the 1908 average wage! Today's pension is worth only 15% of today's average wage!

1909 "Pensions Day" 1st January - commenced first general old age pension paying a non-contributory weekly amount of between 1s and 5s (= to 10p to 25p)or (7s 6d = to 37.5p) for married couples), from age 70, on a means-tested basis. Over half a million individuals collected their first National Pensions. 1700 collected their pension in Southwark where the agitation first began in 1885, 24 years previously
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OCCUPATIONS can be found on
http://www.amlwchhistory.co.uk/data/occupations.htm

http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/
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Old Ordnance Survey Maps

Fantastic website: www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk
Cost £2.25 each

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PARISHES ECT
A Website for anyone looking for parishes
http://www.achurchnearyou.com/index.php
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POST OFFICE APPOINTMENTS are listed not only for senior employees but also for the lower grades including postmen...

Google......http://www.postalheritage.org.uk/visiting/familyhistory/
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PRINTING FAMILY TREE

When you open your tree you then select full tree. When it opens you will see a print option on screen. Click on that and then you get a print selection panel which allows you to scale your tree. Change the scale (depending on size of tree) to a size you can still read. Then run mouse over the selection panel and click on pages you want to print.(or you can simply click "select all") When that is done you select print. When it is printed off you will find that pages sometimes join in the middle of a name box so you will have to do a little trimming.
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REGISTERING A DEATH (2007)
Where do I register a death?
A death must be registered in the district that it occurred.

The death must be registered within five days (unless the coroner is investigating the circumstances leading to the death or the registrar says this period may be exceeded).

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SERVICE RECORDS

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/military/navy/rnstep1.htm

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STILLBIRTHS

Obtaining Stillbirth Certificates

Due to the sensitive nature of stillbirth registrations, the procedure for ordering a certificate of the entry differs from other types of certificates. We will only send out the application form after we have been contacted by phone or in writing by the mother or father (if he is named on the certificate). In cases where the parents are deceased, a brother or sister can apply if they can provide their parents’ dates of death.

The cost of the certificate is about £7.

Phone +44 (0)845 603 7788
Opening hours: Monday to Friday 9am to 5pm

Or write to us at:
General Register Office
PO Box 2
Southport
Merseyside

Registering a still-birth (2007)

When a child is still-born it is necessary to register the still-birth in the district in which it occurred. Although this may be arranged through any register office in England or Wales, it needs to be done within 42 days, and may not be done more than three months after the still-birth occurred.

Legal definition of a still-born child

A still-born child is legally defined as a child born after the 24th week of pregnancy who did not at any time after being born breathe or show any other signs of life. A child who breathed or showed other signs of life is considered live-born for registration purposes irrespective of the number of weeks duration of the pregnancy.
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WW1 & WW2 Official Casualties
names list some civilians on there as well!

http://www.cwgc.org/

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WWI Medal Index Cards, Seamans Records, Pre 1858 Wills etc

Document downloads cost £3.50 each and come as a PDF.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/

The advanced search is pretty good.
Also Access to Archives - great way to locate records held at other places

http://www.a2a.org.uk/
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THE POOR LAW

The Poor Law Act 1601 was also known as the Elizabethan Poor Law, 43rd Elizabeth[1] Old Poor Law after the passing of the Poor Law Amendment Act in 1834. At the time of passing it was referred to as the 1601 Act for the Relief of the Poor.[2]

It formalised earlier practices of poor relief distribution in England and Wales[3] and is generally considered a refinement of the Act For the Relief of the Poor 1597 that established Overseers of the Poor.[4] The Old Poor Law was not one law but a collection of laws passed between the sixteenth and eighteenth centuries. The system's administrative unit was the parish. It was not a collectivist or centralised government policy[5] but a law which made individual parishes responsible for Poor Law legislation. The 1601 act saw a move away from the more obvious forms of punishing paupers under the Tudor system towards methods of 'correction'.

It's Purpose
* to set to work children who were orphaned or whose parents could not maintain them,
* to provide materials to "set the poor on work"
* to offer relief to people who were unable to work — mainly those who were "lame, impotent, old, blind", and
* "the putting out of children to be apprentices".
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UNEMPLOYMENT BENIFIT

Unemployment benefits were first instituted in 1911. Over 2 million people were relying on the payments by 1921, as Britain was experiencing economic hardship after World War I. Those who disliked the handouts referred to the insurance as "the 'dole'"; this may come from the fact that the benefit was paid weekly, in cash, by the Employment Exchange clerk after the customer had 'signed on'.

UNWANTED CERTIFICATES

There is a board on TIPS BOARD called

DROP YOUR UNWANTED CERTIFICATES

If you paste that in search bar on Tips Board it will come up
There are loads of unwanted certs on there
They may have something you could use !!!!

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WILL (Law)

In the common law, a will or testament is a document by which a person (the testator) regulates the rights of others over his or her property or family after death. For the devolution of property not disposed of by will, see inheritance and intestacy. In the strictest sense, "will" is a general term, while "testament" applies only to dispositions of personal property (this distinction is seldom observed). A will is also used as the instrument in a trust.

Terminology used in Wills
* A bequest is a gift in the form of a stated amount of money.
* A codicil is an amendment to a will.
* A demonstrative legacy is a gift from a specific bank account, or a specified set of savings bonds, stock certificates, or other bonds.
* A devise is special gift of real property in a will.
* A devisee is a person who receives a devise.
* Intestate means without a will; this is often seen in the phrase "to die intestate".
* A legacy is a gift.
* A legatee is a person who receives a legacy.
* Testate means with a will.
* The testator is a person who executes a will; that is, the person whose will it is.


Any person over the age of majority can draft their own will without the aid of an attorney. Additional requirements may vary, depending on the jurisdiction, but every will must contain the following:

* The testator must clearly identify himself as the maker of the will, and that a will is being made; this is commonly called "publication" of the will, and is typically satisfied by the words "last will and testament" on the face of the document.

* The testator must declare that he revokes all previously-made wills and codicils. Otherwise, a subsequently-made will revokes earlier wills and codicils only to the extent that they are inconsistent. However, if a subsequent will is completely inconsistent with an earlier one, that earlier will be considered completely revoked by implication.

* The testator must demonstrate that he has the capacity to dispose of his property, and does so freely and willingly.

* The testator must sign and date the will, usually in the presence of at least two disinterested witnesses (persons who are not beneficiaries). In some jurisdictions, for example Kentucky,[1] the spouse of a beneficiary is also considered an interested witness. In the USA, Pennsylvania is the only state which does not require the signing of the will be witnessed.

* The testator's signature must be placed at the end of the will. If this is not observed, any text following the signature will be ignored, or the entire will may be invalidated if what comes after the signature is so material that ignoring it would defeat the testator's intentions.

After the testator has died, a probate proceeding may be initiated in court to determine the validity of the will, i.e., whether it satisfied the legal requirements, and to appoint an executor. If the will is ruled invalid in probate, then inheritance will occur under the laws of intestacy as if a will were never drafted.

Although there is no legal requirement that a will be drawn up by a lawyer, there are many pitfalls into which home-made wills may fall, and it is highly desirable that any will is the subject of legal advice before drafting or execution. The person who makes a will is not available to explain him or herself, or to correct any technical deficiency or error in expression, when it comes into effect on that person's death, and so there is no room for mistake.

A very common error (for example) in the execution of home-made wills in England is to use a beneficiary (typically a spouse or other close family members) as a witness, although this has the effect in law of disinheriting the witness regardless of the provisions of the will.

Some states recognize a holographic will, made out entirely in the testator's own hand. A minority of states even recognize the validity of nuncupative wills. In England, the formalities of wills are relaxed for soldiers who express their wishes on active service.

A will may not include a requirement that an heir commit an illegal, immoral, or other act against public policy as a condition of receipt. In community property jurisdictions, a will cannot be used to disinherit a surviving spouse, who is entitled to at least a portion of the testator's estate. In England, a will may disinherit a spouse, but close relations excluded from a will (including but not limited to spouses) may apply to the court for provision to be made for them in the court's discretion.

It is not only a good idea but also essential that the testator give his executor the power to pay debts, taxes, and administration expenses (probate, etc.). Warren Burger's will did not contain this, which wound up costing his estate thousands. This is not a consideration in English law, which provides that all such expenses will fall on the estate in any case.

Wikipedia is a great resource for just about anything!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lol

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www.freebmd.org.uk/search.pl?

Free transcribed indexes to Births Marriages and Deaths in England and Wales up to around the 1920s at the moment.

Easy to use

For records post 1920s you will have to manually searched through the scanned index pages on sites like www.ancestry.co.uk or www.findmypast.com - both of which are pay per view.

Some free census transcriptions

www.freecen.org.uk

and also some free parish register transcriptions

www.freereg.org.uk

They are always being updated with new data.

And helpful people who have parish registers who are willing to do lookups
Remember to give as much info as possible - most people will not do blanket look ups...

www.parishregisteruklook-upexchange.co.uk/

Taken From MrsTibbetts

n

THANKS FOR ALL THE INFO REALLY GOOD

Nudging this because it holds a wealth of information.
K

great info thanks

n