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James went to live in lodgings on 1891 census, when his mother died and father went to live with his sister who is on 1881 census, with them, and later married. Elizabeth is living with her brother then on 1891 census.

Could it not be that James is with his parents on 1881 because he was visiting or one of them was ill or dying?

Don't forget, the census is only a snapshot of where they spent one night. Just because they aren't together on census night doesn't mean they were separated.

Ann,

Thank you so much, yes please, put me in touch. Have pms you with more details.

Teddy

Thanks all. No James Murray was not born in Ireland all the family came from Essex.
James was Christened on 23 Jul 1837 at Brickfield or Stratford Congregational, West Ham, Essex
His father was also a Shoe Maker, and was born in Ramsden Bellhouse, Essex. Came to Forest Gate in 1833, married that year at St Martins in the Fields.London. Wife was also from Ramsden Bellhouse.
Why I am interested is that he was my great grandfathers brother, and I am going sideways on the Family Tree now.
I found she died in 1898, but as I said have not been able to find her on 1881 census, and just wondered if she had run off with the lodger Nathan Cook, who is with the family on the 1871 census.
As you say a story there.

A long shot I know but there is this Elizabeth murray on the 1881 in USA........


Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
John C. COONLEY Self M Male W 40 NY Iron Manfct NY NY
Lidia A. COONLEY Wife M Female W 34 VA Housekeeping NY MA
Mary COONLEY Dau S Female W 11 KY At Home NY VA
Avery COONLEY Son S Male W 9 NY At Home NY VA
Stuart COONLEY Son S Male W 7 KY At Home NY VA
Sarah COONLEY Dau S Female W 6 IL At Home NY VA
Howard COONLEY Son S Male W 5 IL At Home NY VA
Elizabeth MURRY Other W Female W 49 ENG None ENG ENG
Sabina MCAVANY Other S Female W 27 SCOT Housemaid IRE IRE
Mary HILL Other S Female W 25 NY Cook IRE IRE


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Source Information:
Census Place Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Family History Library Film 1254194
NA Film Number T9-0194
Page Number 138D


Nicky

I too have this one James is shown as a leather cutter, lodging at 56 Cass Road Hackney

I have an Elizabeth Murray (nee Rowsell) b 1832 in High Ham, or Allar, Somerset. She is on the census from 1841 as Elizabeth Rowsell. She married James Murray in 1862 in West London, and is on the 1871 census living in West Ham,with James Murray. Then appears on 1891 census living with her brother Ethelbert Rowsell at West Ham, her name on this is mistyped as Elizabeth Myeray, on Ancestry. She died in 1898.
I cannot find her on the 1881 census, James Murray is living with his parents for 1881 census, so obviously there had been a separation.
Wonder if anyone has better eyes than me and can find her on 1881 census, either in London or Somerset.
Would be obliged if anyone can help.