Genealogy Chat

sorry no i did not mean daughter, thanks for correcting me on that. i actually missed a word out it was meant to read

it was my mother in laws grandmother who was his child,barbara. i wrote it with my son who is nearly 2 hanging around my neck screaming in my ear. sorry. i am waiting for her birth certificate i ordered it yeaterday so hopefully it will arive soon.on ancestry she is down as being born in sunderland durham but will have to wait for certificate to arrive so that i can confirm it.
ashleigh

I don't think you really mean her 'daughter'.......do you?

You need to get Barbara's birth cert.........when and where was she born?

it was my mother in laws daughter barbara who was his child.

If James was a direct ancestor, you should be able to identify him through his descendants..........

Start at 'this end'.............and work backwards.

One of your MIL's grandparents was his child................what was that child's name?

ok thanks for that. i think i will go with the first one for now then. i know the other james virtue was born in 1881 so could possibly be him.
thanks again
ashleigh

I think it unlikely that the chap who died in 1916 was born as early as 1868/9

I don't think they called up older men until later in the War................

reggie,
the barbara one is a definate, and the james is a maybe. i have already have those saved to my shoebox untill i find out more info. that would explain why the children were living with there maternal grandmother in the 1901 census. but thought i would check the age of the other one in the war records as the 2 james seem to be cousins somewhere along the line. i just wanted to be as sure as i could be before adding them to my tree and going down the wrong branch if you know what i mean.
ashleigh

thanks for that. i did see the medal card and his record on ancestry.
i will have to search other marriages to see how many times jane linton on the census was married assuming that she is the same jane( tindle) who was on the 1901 census. unless of course one or the other has a really bad spelling mistake. i think that it could be the 1891 census as her marriage according to the sunderland registry office was in 1953 to joseph tindle back then she was jane cowens. unless she did re marry but for some reason went back to her first marriage name. stranger things have happened in my tree though.
a big thanks to all that have helped me on this search- much appreciated.
ashleigh

Whose death is this?

Name: James Virtue
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 29
District: Sunderland
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 383


And this?

Name: Barbara Virtue
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 29
District: Sunderland
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 325

1891 census

Name: James Viotree
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Barbara
Gender: Male
Where born: Tweedmouth, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michaels
County/Island: Durham
Country: England


Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Foster 6
Jane Linton 54
Barbara Viotree 21
James Viotree 22


There is a Medal card on Ancestry for the chap whose death is on the CWGC site...........

Name: VIRTUE
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Durham Light Infantry
Unit Text: 10th Bn.
Date of Death: 02/02/1916
Service No: 6105
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. B. 11.
Cemetery: ESSEX FARM CEMETERYCountry: Belgium
Locality: unspecified
Location Information: Boezinge is a village in the province of West Flanders, north of Ieper on the Diksmuidseweg road (The land south of Essex Farm was used as a dressing station cemetery from April 1915 to August 1917. The burials were made without definite plan and some of the divisions which occupied this sector may be traced in almost every part of the cemetery, but the 49th (West Riding) Division buried their dead of 1915 in Plot I, and the 38th (Welsh) Division used Plot III in the autumn of 1916. There are 1,199 servicemen of the First World War buried or commemorated in this cemetery. 102 of the burials are unidentified but special memorials commemorate 19 casualties known or believed to be buried among them. The cemetery was designed by Sir Reginald Blomfield. It was in Essex Farm Cemetery that Lieutenant-Colonel John McCrae of the Canadian Army Medical Corps wrote the poem ' In Flanders Fields' in May 1915. The 49th Division Memorial is immediately behind the cemetery, on the canal bank.
No. of Identified Casualties: 1100

his name was james virtue he marred in 1890 to barbara tindle in sunderland/durham i am pretty much sure he was born in 1868/69 but can not confirm till i recieve his certificate. he was killed in ww1.
thanks ashleigh

Many who died in wartime have no indication of age at the time.

Your best bet to find out when he was born is to find his marriage, and obtain the cert.

Hi Ashleigh

Can you please put his name, and date of birth and where he was born etc on the thread.
Also was he in the Army or Navy during the war. Was it WW1 or WW2 he died?

Betty

Have you found him on cwgc?

Essex Farm is Belgium



Libby

my mother in laws g grandfather died in the war( i think) but there is no date of birth or age at death can anyone advise any other alternatives please, he is burried at essex farm( belgium i think) where would his death also be recorded to find an age belgium or england?

ashleigh