Genealogy Chat

Thanks for your help Jim Glitter and Irene :-).

Thanks Irene, I'm hoping to get to Liverpool record office this week so I will check that out. I used to do that all the time to find census records but since ancestry has come along, I've fallen into bad habit. Thanks for reminding me.

Thanks Jim for that :-) It could be a possibility. If that is the case, i wonder who the father would be as he died sometime before the 1851 census. I'll have to investigate that. Thanks.

Thanks Glitter. I wonder if that is my first convict. I'll have to do some digging. Technically, I'm descended from Caroline's sister but I'm exploring all leads in case it leads further back. If he is Caroline's son, fortunately the stint in gaol did him no harm as he became a chemist.

Thanks again everyone :-)

Ellen Jane Whitby's birth was registered March 1838 Liverpool 20 page 301. A copy of this birth certificate will have an address on it that may help you find the family 1841. I cannot see them in the census. Good luck Irene

1841 no idea if this is one of the kids

Name: John Whitby
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: Howard Street


Liverpool Boro Gaol

birth
Caroline Waylat Whitby 1861 Oct-Nov-Dec Hackney Greater London, London, Middlesex

So could it be mother and daughter died?
PS
both deaths are WAYLAT on image
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1861
John H Whitby Laura A abt 1829 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head Hackney St John, Middlesex

Trying to find Caroline Whitby nee Caroline Waylett/Waylat Ellis on the 1841/1861 census. She was born in Cumberland but lists herself as born in Liverpool at the time of the 1851 census (her sister did the same - I presumed they moved there when they were little)

She married John Hunter Whitby in 1826 in Liverpool

Here are the christenings of some of her children:

1. JOHN HUNTER WHITBY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 03 NOV 1828 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
2. WILLIAM JOSEPH WHITBY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 JUL 1831 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
3. SARAH ANN WHITBY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 DEC 1834 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
4. ROBERT WAYLET WHITBY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 31 OCT 1826 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
5. ELLEN JANE WHITBY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 20 FEB 1838 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

I think either one of these may be her death in 1861 as her parents were from London and her son John went to work there with a relative in 1851.

Deaths Sep 1861 (>99%)
Whitby Caroline Waylat Hackney 1b 200
Deaths Dec 1861 (>99%)
Whitby Caroline Walat Hackney 1b 213

Any help would be appreciated.


Here she is on the 1851 census:

1851 England Census about Caroline Whitby
Name: Caroline Whitby
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 1yy
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 90
Household Members:
Name Age
Caroline Whitby 42
Elizabeth Ann Whitby 9
Ellen Jane Whitby 13