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I am having some trouble focused around Thomas Darby (b. 1840, Birmingham). In the 1861 census, I see him living with his parents (Thomas Darby, 1813), (Mary A Darby, 1810) and his wife (Jane, 1836).
Then in the 1871 census the parents are gone and it is just Thomas (1840) and Jane, plus children. However Jane's birth date is now 1846.
In the 1881 census Mary A (1810) has returned to live with Thomas+Jane+children, except she is now called Mary A Coleman (maiden name?). Jane is back to 1836, is listed as also being called Coleman, and it says that Mary A is her Mother.
Do you see the confusion? In 1861 Mary A was Thomas (1840)'s mother. Then in 1881 Mary A was Thomas' mother-in-law.
What's going on here?
(Also, to add to the mystery, the older Thomas is listed as being from Surrey which just doesn't seem right. Perhaps the family had things to hide...)
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Mother-In-Law can also mean Step-mother, not wife's mother. Have you found them in 1851 and 1841 ?
If MaryA was his stepmother, then he will be with father THomas and another woman in earlier census. Perhaps after THomas seniors death, she remarried to Coleman. You can check this out on the freebmd website.
Also the census are not completely without error. People told fibs, deliberate or accidental, regarding place of birth and age. I have one family who said they were born in Cheltenham GLS one census and Birmingham in the next. One man said from 1841-1891 that he was born in New York USA, but in 1901, someone else, presumably, gave his birthplace as Birmingham.
Diane
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This one is off the Familysearch.org
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas DARBY Head M Male 41 Birmm, Warwick, England Hame Forger (Harness)
Jane DARBY Wife M Female 45 Birmm, Warwick, England
Eliza J. DARBY Daur U Female 20 Birmm, Warwick, England Steel Pen Worker
Isaac DARBY Son U Male 16 Birmm, Warwick, England Brass Dresser
Bertha C. DARBY Daur U Female 13 Birmm, Warwick, England Scholar
Frederick T. DARBY Son Male 10 Birmm, Warwick, England Scholar
Alice M. DARBY Daur Female 7 Birmm, Warwick, England Scholar
Thomas DARBY Son Male 5 Birmm, Warwick, England Scholar
Mary Ann COLEMAN Mother In Law W Female 71 West Bromwich, Stafford, England
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Source Information:
Dwelling 119 Upper Thomas St
Census Place Aston, Warwick, England
Family History Library Film 1341727
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3044 / 89
Page Number 14
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The 2 Mry a may not be the same person and how do you know Coleman is her maiden name ( she is down as a Widow )
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Eliza jane on each census is a differnt age
1861 --2 months
1871--18 yrs
1881--20yrs
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I would guess that Thomas and Jane both had mothers with the first name Mary A and Jane's maiden name was Coleman.
Mary A (Anne possibly?) was an extremely common first name back then. I have a lot of people with the mother Harriet who marry a Harriet and her mother is Harriet as well!! That can be rather disconcerting if you read the record slightly wrong!
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In 1861 Thomas Darby 1813 Surrey is a cordwainer.
1871.
Thomas Coleman 1813 Bermondsey Surrey occ cordwainer.
Mary A Coleman wife 1811 West Bromwich
William Lefern lodger 1843 Bishopgate London occ cordwainer
living Birmingham
Thomas Coleman born 1813 died 1887 june qt Birmingham gro ref 6d 49
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I am tempted to say that the 1861 census should be Thomas Coleman as head with Thomas Darby as son-in-law.
Thomas Darby may well be the son of Isaac - you will need certs to check starting with the birth of one of Thomas and Jane's children to give her maiden name and hence their marriage.
Andy
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I would agree with others and say that both Thomas and Jane had mothers called Mary Ann who happened to be born around the same year.
With the age variations, don't rely on the transcription - you need to look at the original census record itself, as written by the enumerator, as, if you put it in context with the other records from other years, you might see that the transcriber has put down the age incorrectly, and therefore the wrong birth year has come up. Also bear in mind that people usually didn't put down their own ages - often enumerators would estimate an age or round up/down to the nearest five years.
As Andy says, definitely get yourself a copy of at least one of the birth certs of Thomas and Jane's children as a starting point, then their marriage cert if you can. Have you got Thomas' birth cert? Could be useful - if not him, perhaps a younger sibling's cert would be easier to get a hold of.
Also check for deaths of Thomas' mum Mary Ann Darby, between 1861 and 1881 - you never know.
Best of luck with it.
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I think I'll buy the certificates and get to the bottom of the matter.
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Andy
Thomas Darby son of Issac in 1851 is a gun maker. Dont think thats him
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