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Can anyone explain?

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Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 23 Jul 2008 22:28

It also depends on whether the father registered any of the births as he may not have known, say, his wife's maiden name - perhaps he only knew her as her previous married name.

Huia

Huia Report 23 Jul 2008 20:54

I am wondering what Mary's mothers maiden name was. It might have been either Bradbury or Fox. If Mary was asked what her second name was she might have given that. My reason for saying that is that my gt grandmother upon marriage took her mothers maiden name as her middle name, so from being Jane Taylor (birth cert) she became Jane Bickerton Auger after marriage. Her mother did the same thing, went from Harriet Bickerton before marriage to Harriet Webb Taylor after marriage. (A very handy thing for us genealogists.)
As Jill said, it depends on how the registrar worded the question.
Huia.

Thelma

Thelma Report 23 Jul 2008 18:38

1851
Mary Belfield Joseph abt 1822 Fawfieldhead, Staffordshire, England Wife Longnor, Staffordshire
1861
Mary Belfield Joseph abt 1821 Heathy Lee, Staffordshire, England Wife Longnor, Staffordshire
1871
Mary Belfield Joseph abt 1821 Heathylee, Staffordshire, England Wife Longnor, Staffordshire
1881
Mary Belfield Joseph abt 1822 Fawfieldhead, Staffordshire, England Wife Longnor, Staffordshire

chrisa

chrisa Report 23 Jul 2008 18:11

As you have the Belfield / Bradbury marriage I had a look to see if I could see a Bradbury / Fox marriage.
The only one I can see is this from IGI but as you can see it's the same year & in Norfolk.

MARY ANN FOX Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: JAMS MOULLING BRADBERRY Family
Marriage: 25 DEC 1839 Saint Peter Mancroft, Norwich, Norfolk, England



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

chrisa

chrisa Report 23 Jul 2008 18:04

1851

1851 England Census
about Joseph Belfield
Name: Joseph Belfield
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Longnor, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Longnor
Town: Longnor
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Leek
Sub registration district: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
James Belfield 10 Mo
Joseph Belfield 36
Josph Belfield 6
Mary Belfield 29
Sarah Belfield 3
Thomas Belfield 9




1861 England Census
about Joseph Belfield
Name: Joseph Belfield
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Longnor, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Longnor
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Leek
Sub registration district: Longnor
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Belfield 2
Dolley Belfield 4
James Belfield 10
Joseph Belfield 46
Joseph Belfield 16
Martha Belfield 7
Mary Belfield 40
Mary Belfield 8
Thomas Belfield 19



1871 England Census
about Joseph Belfield
Name: Joseph Belfield
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Longnor, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Longnor
Ecclesiastical parish: Allstonefield and Longnor
Town: Longnor
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Leek
Sub registration district: Longnor
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Belfield 13
Isaac Belfield 3
John Belfield 9
Joseph Belfield 57
Martha Belfield 17
Mary Belfield 50
Samuel Belfield 2


So we know that they are all the same family.

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 23 Jul 2008 17:34

Were all these children together on the census returns?

Was the mother's details the same in more than one census?

Wonder whether she had been married before so perhaps used previous married name or maiden name depending on what the registrar asked her. Who registered the births of the children you know about - was it Joseph or Mary?

Jill

Margaret

Margaret Report 23 Jul 2008 17:27

I am absolutely convinced all these children belong to the same family and the usual explanation would have been "first wife died and man remarried' but in chronological order as follows:

Father (common to all those I have birth cert. for) Joseph Belfield (baker) of Longnor Staffs All children born in Longnor.

Ann Belfield born 31 /8/1840 Mother = Mary Bradbury
Thomas Belfield b ca 1842 mother unknown
Joseph Belfield b. ca 1846 mother unknown
Sarah Belfield b 7/4/1847 mother Mary Fox
James Belfield born 18/5/1850 mother Mary Fox
Mary Belfield b ca 1852 mother unknown
Martha Belfield b 16/2/1854 Mother Mary Bradbury
Dolley Belfield b 25/6/1856 Mother Mary Bradbury
Charlotte Belfield b 23/4/1858 Mother Mary Fox
John Belfield b 17/9/1861 Mother Mary Bradbury

I have marriage cert for a Joseph Belfield marrying a Mary Bradbury in 1839 but the marriage takes place in Prestbury Cheshire. I assume this is the Prestbury nr Macclesfield which seems a long way away from Longnor.
Thanks in anticipation!