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I'm having trouble with double barelled names and census searches - any tips as to how to get this right?

From my experience there werent very many double barrelled names before 1900 - but a lot of 2nd given names were surnames, if ya get my drift. Only way to search is do it three times - with double-barrell name, then each of the 2 names.

If you are sure of the first given name and date/place of birth, sometimes a search for that turns up trumps.

Have tried all permutations but don't seem to be getting anywhere.

Under BMDs for this person it's a double barrell so don't really know where to go from here

Perhaps if you gave us the details

I'm just trying to find some further info about my great-grandfather Hubert Stacey Marten-Smith born Wandsworth April 1896. Have found Birth record - under smith - and marriage record under marten-smith but can't find him on 1901 Census.

Also my great-great grandfather on the other side I can find on 1851 and 1871 census but not 1891 or 1901 and I know he was alive still then. He is Henry Coleman born 1845/6 in Shotteswell, Warks - was in Police in Aston Birmingham in 1871.

Any help/suggestions gratefully received

Thanks

Hubert's parents names?

1891
Name: Henry Coleman
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elvia
Gender: Male
Where born: Shotteswell, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Bordesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: ????? policeman

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Brown 28
*****Elvia Coleman 52 Ratley but shown as Kelly
Ethel May Coleman 10/12 - not Coleman on image
Henrietta Mark Coleman 1 - not Coleman on image
Henry Coleman 45
Mabel Harriet Coleman 3 - not Coleman on image
****William Henry Coleman 10
Robert Fieldesend 23
William Henry Hagens 24
Frank Lattie 22
Edwin Savage 29
Elera Savage 26
Robert Stein 40
Alice Glerabila Taylor 27

Ignore all the other names as they seem to be lodgers or servants



Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2416; Folio 10; Page 14; GSU roll: 6097526.

Does Hubert have any siblings? As we have the second name added Im thinking a marriage for his mum some time after his birth.

Ok, got him - looks like Marten is possibly just a third name (likely grandparent?)

Births Jun 1896 (>99%)
Smith Hubert Stacey M Wandsworth 1d 789

Hubert's parents:
William Marten-Smith b. 1851
Louise Culverwell b. c1857
Siblings there are 7 children,
Ernest Harry b c1890
Ella Louise b1892
Eric Walter b1894
Hubert Stacey b1896
Cecil Eugene b1897/8
Winifred Mary b1899
Kenneth Frank b1901.

The Marten-Smith name goes back to the 1790s.

Can anyone find an address for them in 1901?
Thanks

With the Colemans - any suggestions as to why I can't find them on the census search on here? Glitter Baby - you seem to have got them, but when I look I can't find them.........

Looks like I need to get some credits for the PRO site!

Thanks for all your help

You arent buying credits on here!! Get a sub with ancestry - its much cheaper and you have 24/7 usage, no credits stuff.
When you ask for look ups, it really would be useful if you gave everything, every detail you have in the first box please.

Do you know when his father died?

1901: Living 26 Telford Avenue, Streatham. Dads a wharfinger and seemingly quite a wealthy one with a monthly nurse for the unnamed baby boy plus other staff.

Name: Wm Marlen Smith
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa M
Gender: Male
Where born: Brixton, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Streatham
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Streatham
Town: Streatham
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub registration district: Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 244
Household Members:
Name Age
Florence E Bush 28
Ellen Eyre 25
Florence E Norris 19
Cecil E Smith 7
Ella L Smith 11
Herbert S Smith 4
Louisa M Smith 43
Marten Smith 1 month
Nunfred M Smith 2
Wm Marlen Smith 49
Hannah E Wheeles 50

What I mean is that I've subscribed here and not to ancestry - I would have thought that they retrieve the same information from the census searches so why do some show up on ancestry and not on here? Do I really need 2 subs?

Emma, did you see the 1901 I found above?

And no, you dont need 2 subs but ancestry is the much better value.

Yes did see it - was he listed under Marlen Smith - or is that a typo?

Definitely him though,

thanks

Emma

Its a transcription error on the part of the transcriber. Shall give my eyes a rest now.