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Place of Birth: Dry Dock (Lancs) - Does Anyone Kn

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Annette

Annette Report 17 Aug 2008 11:40

I have a census page which states the place of birth of one of the children as "Dry Dock" - all the family (including this child) were born Lancashire.

This child is living with his Grandmother (Head) and I would like to know who his parents were.

This is the family (1851, Rochdale):

Civil Parish: Wuerdle and Wardle
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Wardleworth – Address = Small Bridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 110

Samuel Emmet 10, Nephew, born Heywood, Lancs
James Kershaw 33, Son, Woollen Weaver born Paddock Wood, Lancs
Mary Kershaw 66 Washer Woman (Head) born Green, Lancs
Mary Ann Kershaw 3, Granddaughter, Butterworth, Lancs.
Samuel Kershaw 10, Grandson, Dry Dock, Lancs
Sarah Kershaw 41, Daughter, Woollen Spinner,Paddock Wood, Lancs

Has anyone got any ideas?

Thanks,
Annette

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 17 Aug 2008 11:59

I think this might be the same Mary Kershaw in 1841. I suspect that the grandson Samuel is the son of one of her unmarried daughters:-

Name: Mary Kershaw
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Rochdale
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Todmorden
Sub registration district: Todmorden
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Kershaw 35
Joseph Kershaw 14
Martha Kershaw 10
Mary Kershaw 55
Robert Kershaw 20
Samuel Kershaw 55
Samuel Kershaw 25
Sarah Kershaw 20
William Kershaw 15

Kath. x

Annette

Annette Report 17 Aug 2008 12:09

Thanks Kathleen

I did find that one but James and Sarah's ages didn't match with the 1851.

Annette

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 17 Aug 2008 12:14

Ages are often out by miles on the census (especially on the 1841).

Kath. x

Heather

Heather Report 17 Aug 2008 14:00

In the 1841 the enumerators were supposed to round all ages down to the nearest 5 - hence a 39 year old would appear as 35 and so on. This was not followed for youngsters under 15 though.

In some cases the enumerators give the right ages anyway, but if you look and see a lot of ages ending 5 or 0 you know they have followed the rounding down rule (when I first started this I thought Id found a family with 15 year old triplets on the 1841 - psml)

With this particular kiddie, it may be that mum died in childbirth or shortly after and was in fact married to one of the sons or was the illegitimate son of one of the daughters. The only way to find out is to buy the birth cert.

Thelma

Thelma Report 17 Aug 2008 14:27

1851
Samuel Kershaw James abt 1841 Drystock, Lancashire, England Grandson Wuerdle and Wardle,
1861
Samuel Kershaw James abt 1841 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Grandson Wuerdle and Wardle, Lancashire
1871
Samuel Kershaw Sarah Ann abt 1841 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Head Wardle and Wuerdle, Lancashire
1881
Samuel Kershaw Sarah Ann abt 1841 Stubley, Lancashire, England Head Birtle Cum Bamford, Lancashire
1891
Samuel Kershaw Sarah A abt 1841 Wardle, Lancashire, England Head Birtle Cum Bamford, Lancashire
1901
Samuel Kershaw Sarah A abt 1841 Deamley, Lancashire, England Head Birtle Cum Bamford, Lancashire

mgnv

mgnv Report 19 Aug 2008 18:02

Not your Samuel.

There's a blurry "Saml Kershaw" a=3m in 1841:

1841 England Census
Civil Parish: Rochdale
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Stoneyheads
Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Blatchinworth and Calderbrook

James Kershaw 35 Lancashire, England Dyer
Hannah Kershaw 25 Lancashire, England
Mary Kershaw 7 Lancashire, England
Samuel Kershaw 2 Lancashire, England
Saml Kershaw 3 Mo Lancashire, England
John Kershaw 3 Mo Lancashire, England

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 550; Book: 1; Civil Parish: Rochdale; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 52; Page: 16; Line: 20; GSU roll: 306933.



The same family in 1851:

1851 England Census
Civil Parish: Castleton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Union Street
Registration district: Rochdale
Sub registration district: Castleton Without
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Household schedule number: 170

James Kershaw 44 Littlebrough, Lancashire, England Head M Cotton Loom Weaver Power
Hannah Kershaw 37 Todmorden, Lancashire, England Wife M
Mary Ann Kershaw 18 Todmorden, Lancashire, England Daughter U Cotton Mill Operative
Samuel Kershaw 12 Todmorden, Lancashire, England Son Cotton Mill Operative
Susannah Kershaw 10 Todmorden, Lancashire, England Daughter Scholar
William Kershaw 2 Castleton, Lancashire, England Son

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2244; Folio: 229; Page: 45; GSU roll: 87261-87263.


I now read the blurry "Saml" as "Susnh"
Lancashire BMD have the following entries for 1841 births:
KERSHAW Susanna Blatchinworth and Calderbrook Rochdale BC/2/186
KERSHAW John Blatchinworth and Calderbrook Rochdale BC/2/187

corresponding to Susanna's GRO index ref for 1841q2 Rochdale 21 672 (with John's on p 672 or possibly 673).

Finally, note that all Kershaw births from the Spotland Further sub-district are spelled as Kirshaw at this time.