Genealogy Chat

Hi Sandra,

Just seen the last message, am going offline now but will be back later and see what I can find.

Christine

I've bought the six month subscription (gr), to see how much I could get done, while i've been off sick. I love trying to sort out what's what, but it's costing me an absolute fortune, with certificates and stuff. Once I've found someone or something, I want to know as much as possible, about that person. I find it really exciting when I can confirm something. So trying not to subscribe to anything else.

Sorry I said Frederick was my grandfather, he is actually my great grandfather. So his dad George would have been my great great grandfather.If you are able to spare me a few more minutes, it would be great if you could look up any info on him and my great great grandmother.

George Chapman c 1819, born in Middlesex, and Elizabeth c 1822 who was born in kent, Woolwich. He was a stonemason in the 1871 census. I do not have Elizabeth's maiden name, or a date of marriage, birth or death, of either. I know it's a big ask but any info would be great.

I'll pm you my home email.
Thank you again,
Sandra

You're welcome, you won't be able to view the image, only the record and it's the same on Ancestry. You can only get the image if you subscribe.

I presume you are using GR records, it's very expensive if you are buying credits so if you need anythng else just let me know.

Christine

I will try the link below, but if I can't get it I will pm you, Thank you so much for your help. My grandfather's side are proving the more difficult side for me to track down. Your help is much appreciated.

Sandra

I will send you the image if you pm me your email address. here is the link to the record on familysearch.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp

Christine

That's brilliant, thank you.

The 1881 is free on both Family search and Ancestry.

This could be Cath Chapman, daughter in 1891 and there is also an Annie 13 and Edith Chapman 13 in same place, although no Edith on the 1881 family.


1891 England Census
about Cath Chapman
Name: Cath Chapman
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Sutton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Sutton
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Epsom
Sub registration district: Carshalton
ED, institution, or vessel: S M D School

I see there is a marriage in 1871 which has Henrietta Sells on same page and there is also this death.


Deaths Dec 1883 (97%)
Chapman Henrietta 23 Camberwell 1d 5

And maybe this one


Deaths Mar 1884 (>99%)
Chapman Rosa 3 Camberwell 1d 498

Rosa was 3mths old in 1881

Christine

Christine,

Would you be able to email me the record?

Thanks,

Sandra

My grandfathers side of the family, had a habit of being a couple of years out, so it wouldn't surprise me. I think they had memory problems!!

Thank you again

Hi Christine,

His occupation in the 1891 was a bricklayers Labourer. I haven't been able to view the 1881 census, so your Fred is a possibility, although I have no record of any other children from that marriage. If it was him, what could have happened to the children? Could they have died too, or gone to live with her relatives?

Thanks for looking,

Sandra

If this is him in 1891 birthplace in 1881 is the same and occupation, it's just the birth year out by 2 years.

Christine

Is this him?


1881 England Census
about Fred Chapman
Name: Fred Chapman
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hen.
Gender: Male
Where born: Camden Town

Civil Parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 2 Nunhd Ter
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie A. Chapman 3
Cath. M. Chapman 1
Fred Chapman 24
Hen. Chapman 22
Rosa Chapman

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 686; Folio: 107; Page: 35;

Christine

What was his occupation?

Have you checked the 1881 yourself and not been able to find him?

Christine

Hello,

I wonder if anyone is able to look up the 1881 census?

I'm trying to find out to whom my grandfather was married.

His name was Frederick Chapman (1859), the 1871 census states he was born in Kentish Town, Camberwell, Peckham, and gives his age as 12.

In the 1891 Census, he is Lodging in Camberwell, Peckham, and is 32. It also states Wid, on the condition of marriage. I'm assuming that means he was a widower. It also ahows that his future wife was a visitor, at those lodgings.

In the 1901 Census he is married to Ellen, I know Ellen was married previously, and had two children prior to marrying my grandfather.

Now by my calculation that means somewhere between 1877, and 1891, he was married and widowed. I've gone for Camberwell, as it seems the most logical, as he appears to have always lived there.

I've gone through the BDM and come up with these option

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%)
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CHAPMAN Frederick Camberwell 1d 1178

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Marriages Sep 1879 (>99%)
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Chapman Frederick Camberwell 1d 1116

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Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%)
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Chapman Frederick William Camberwell 1d 1127

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Marriages Sep 1885 (>99%)
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Chapman Frederick Arthur Camberwell 1d 1170 .

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%)
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CHAPMAN Frederick Camberwell 1d 1178
Gardner Henry George Camberwell 1d 1178
Oakes Annie Camberwell 1d 1178
Sells Henrietta Camberwell 1d 1178


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1879 (>99%)
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BENTON Ada Eliza Camberwell 1d 1116
BROWN Julia Ann Camberwell 1d 1116
Chapman Frederick Camberwell 1d 1116
Morehead Charles Camberwell 1d 1116


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%)
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Chapman Frederick William Camberwell 1d 1127
OAKLEY John Thomas Camberwell 1d 1127
Soame Minnie Sarah Camberwell 1d 1127
WOOD Martha Camberwell 1d 1127


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1885 (>99%)
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Chapman Frederick Arthur Camberwell 1d 1170
FEWTRELL Mary Ann Camberwell 1d 1170
PERKINS Alice Eliza Camberwell 1d 1170
Warren James William Camberwell 1d 1170

My only thought of trying to find out which one it might be, without buying all the marriage certificates, is the 1881 census. Can anyone help, or have another suggestion? His father's name was George, and his mother's name Elizabeth.


thank you, and best wishes,
Sandra