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'Servant to the Establishment' any ideas please?

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 21 Sep 2008 19:34

Hi John

hope your brother enjoys his visit back "home". We were back in the UK in June

I live in Vancouver ....... almost as long a plane trip from Toronto as TO to Manchester!


sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

John

John Report 21 Sep 2008 08:34

Christine, thank you for that information. I will use it. Sylvia, thank you for that.... I have gone right through the 54 pages of the 1861 Census for the Barracks.... I do believe you are right and he was a servant. Soldiers are recorded as Sappers etc or by rank. He got his Chelsea Pension so I must follow the Royal Engineers as being his employers.

Thanks again....PS Sylvia, I am just leaving to pick my brother up at Manchester who is flying in from Toronto for a visit... just thought | would mention it:)

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Sep 2008 22:34

If you look at the image, under Relation to Head of Family, it says:- Head of Family; servant



I think it means that he is a servant to the Royal Engineers Establishment in general (as against a servant to a particular person)........... cook, cleaner, whatever




sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Sep 2008 22:28

or could it be literal .......... a servant to the establishment, ie the regiment.


Not a soldier or officer, but servant??






Have you tried googling the term????


sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

John

John Report 20 Sep 2008 18:37

My Irish brick wall is cracking open. Brief history is..
William Carroll was born in Ireland abt 1822 and either joined the Army or maybe the East India Company.
In the 1861 census he is shown with his wife Bridget (b Ireland 1825) with sons James (b abt 1854 at sea off St Helena) William (b abt 1856 in Ireland) and John (b abt 1859 East Indies)
They are all listed with dozens of other families at the Royal Engineer Establishment, Brompton Barracks, Kent. So it would seem William and his wife travelled by sea and she had 2 of the children on her travels (middle child b Ireland is interesting)

Together with the others in 1861 (including wives) William and Bridget are classed as..."Servants to the Establishment"

In 1871, William senior is shown as 'Chelsea Pensioner' living in Kent with the family. In 1877 both William and Bridget die suddenly (death certs applied for)

I need to find out what regiment William senior was in so I can research further.

Anyone know what 'Servant to the Establishment' means? Could or should I presume he was posted to the Royal Engineers at Brompton?

I have no place of birth in Ireland for any of them. Thanks for looking.