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I have now found the family on the 1891 cesus by tracking brother Walter Victor. Father Michael was listed as born in Waterford,Ireland & mother Susannah as born Co Down. That ties in with what I had thought so am fairly confident this is the right family. I hadn't thought of tracking them through the brother - Doh!
Thanks for your input.

Portland Rose & others,
The witnesses were Walter Victor (so you & lost for words were right about the brother!) & Catherine Susannah Prosser(?). If he was born in India it would explain why I couldn't find the family on census returns until they were, presumably, sent to England to school.
i will transfer my search to India & persevere with army records. Thanks for all your help.

Try looking on the Great War Forum, theres lots of info on various regiments and you never know, someone may have some info on your chap.

Good Luck.

Jxx

not sure if there is a connection but another arthur kirby also born india




1891 England Census
about Arthur Durham Kirby
Name: Arthur Durham Kirby
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Officer
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: India

Civil Parish: Heavitree
Ecclesiastical parish: Heavitree
Town: Rewe
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Thomas
Sub registration district: Heavitree
ED, institution, or vessel: The Artillery Barracks
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Daisy Julia Bartlett 4
Elizabeth Bartlett 28
Esther Caroline Bartlett 6
William Henry Bartlett 2
Aleana Edwards 17
Albert William Hall 13
Julia Hall 33
Julia Hall 6
Katherine Mary Hall 8
Percy George Hall 1
Sydney Thomas Hall 11
Thomas Joseph Hall 36
Emma Jones 17
Lilian Jones 21
Philip Jones 25
Arthur Durham Kirby 23
William Peartlett 38
Beatrice Sane 5
Ellen Sane 3
Francis Sane 11
John Sane 8
Margaret Sane 10/12
Mary Sane 31
Michael Sane 45
Elizabeth Wivell 29

Julia,

Who were the witnesses to the marriage?

Rose

Thanks for your suggestions. None of the certificates (birth or marriage) give place of birth. Do I have to visit Kew to see Military records?
I was always told he was from Ireland(which fits in with 7th Dragoon Guards) & we have some 'family' ornaments from India but I was never told he was born there. Also my Dad & his brother went to the Duke of Yorks Royal Military School (Dover) but it was an Army school & they were an army family. I have seen the census returns mentioned but am frustrated by the lack of any certainty in view of the amount of information I have.
That's why I hoped his regimental no. might help. To add to the problems his father is just listed as 'pensioner' on Arthur & Glayds marriage cert.

Births , GRO ARMY BIRTH INDICES (1881 to 1965) 1886 - 1890

Kirby Walter Victor - Satara - 1887 444

Kirby Walter Victor - Ahmednagar - 1887 441


I cant see a birth for Arthur.

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
about Walter V Kirby
Name: Walter V Kirby
Regiment or Corps: 7th Dragoon Guards, Army Veterinary Corps, Essex Yeomanry, C of Dns, 7th Dragoon Guards, 7th Dragoon Guards
Regimental number: 7DG/5793, 715, 7DG/5793, D/20480, D/29857, 390931

Rose

Brother I bet:

901 England Census
about Walter Victor Kirby
Name: Walter Victor Kirby
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: School Boy
Gender: Male
Where born: India
Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity and St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: Duke Of Yorks Royal Military Asylum

Rose

Julia

Just a guess on my part, but seeing he was a military man, and perhaps was his father also, could this be him on the 1901 census, and could be the reason you cannot find him

Name: Arthur Ernest Kirby
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: School Boy
Gender: Male
Where born: India

Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity and St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: Duke Of Yorks Royal Military Asylum
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Robin Adair 10
Robert Adams 10
George Adcock 10
Frank Henry Allcock 10
John Graham Allcock 12
Edwin Bailey 10
Harry Harder Banbury 10
Alexr Henry Barrell 12
Wm Jos Richd Barrett 11
Willm Chas Bennett 11
Arthur Betcher 10
Arthur Bigham 10
Thomas Bracken Walsh 11
Willm Noel Brandwood 11
John Breece Devey 11
James Robt Bunce 11
Richd Chas Burke 11
Duncan Cameron 11
Wm John Jas Carpenter 12
Harry Percival Cater 12
Fredk Wm Channer 12
Edmund Chapman 10
Thomas Clarke 11
Stanley Craig 10
Jno Wm Montague Cross 10
Cecil Henry Davies 12
Willm Edmund Daymond 12
George Willm Durham 12
Edward Elliott 10
John Fair 11
Willm Falconer Frost 12
Arthur Evelyn Ferns 9
Harold Hector Formey 10
Willm Edwd Fraser 11
Victor Chas Leod Fryer 10
Chas Jas Gardiner 10
Thomas Gardiner 11
Harry Gough 10
Arthur Wilmot Green 11
Edmond Hope Green 10
Willm Henry Griffiths 11
Frederick Haddigan 11
Alexr Dunbar Hanson 11
Charles Willm Hatt 11
Arthur Wm Head 11
Bertram Geo Hepburn 10
Sydney Hetherington 10
Thos George Hilton 11
Arthur John Hodges 11
Fredk Jesse Hodgkins 10
Geo Alexr Hooker 11
Fred Jackson 9
Archd Thos James 9
Frank Neville James 9
Bertie Chas Jones 11
Richd Francis Kimbell 10
Arthur Ernest Kirby 11
Bertie Knight 10
Geo Whitley Levell 11
James Hugh Linn 11
Francis Loughlin 10
Hugh McConnell 12
George Neville McEnery 10
Maurice Michel 10
James Molloy 10
Lewellyn Wm Monger 10
Simeon Moon 11
Francis Murphy 10
William Newland 10
Wm David Newland Nickel 11
Walter Fredk Palmer

George

EDit Regiment was in India

7th (Princess Royal's) Dragoon Guards
: in Secunderabad, India, part of the Secunderabad Cavalry Brigade.
Moved to France, landing Marseilles 13 October 1914, attached to Indian Corps.
23 December 1914 : Brigade joined 2nd Indian Cavalry Division.
10 March 1918: moved to 7th Cavalry Brigade, 3rd Cavalry Division

Cornish Sue -
none of the death certs I've obtained show place of birth -

Julia -
His service records should have his d.o.b
His service records may give the date he joined up.
He would have had to have given an address for next of kin - and as he wasn't married then - it should be his parents.
I went to National Archives Kew to view records.

Christine

Arthur Ernest Kirby, was in the 7th Dragoon guards. I have found his medal records, Victory & British, & his regimental no was D/1259,389428. When he married in 1919 he was listed as a sergeant. I have copies of his marriage (8/2/1919 in Portsea) & death certificate (22/10/1965 King Edward Hospital, Midhurst). He was born in 1889, his wife was Gladys Searle & his father named as Michael on their marriage certificate. Despite all this I don't know where he was born so am at a loss as to how to get further.
Can any information be obtained from the regimental no?
Thanks for any help