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I have the birth and marriage certificate for my gt grandmother born Annie Elizabeth Allsopp June 1874. There is no father listed on her birth certificate, mums name is Mary Allsopp, but on her marriage certificate father named as Henry Allsopp.

I found her on 1881 census living with her grandparents John and Ann Hudson at the same address she was born at so I know I have the correct Annie.

What I don't understand is that in 1871 her mum Mary is living with her parents John and Ann but shown as daughter-in-law and married.

In 1861 Mary Allsopp is shown living with her parents named Hudson and her sister Elizabeth Allsopp. Marys uncle and grandmother surname Vernon are also living there.

I just don't understand why the two daughters surnames are diferrent and why she is shown as married but still has the same surname in the 1871 census. Am I missing something here?

Chris

Was Ann married before as Daughter-in-law could also mean Stepdaughter
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1861

Mary Allsop
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Granddaughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Hanbury, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Hanbury
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Burton Upon Trent
Sub registration district: Tutbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Allsop 11
Mary Allsop 8
Ann Hudson 41
John Hudson 41
Ann Vernon 77
Charles Vernon 46


The Vernon's are Ann's parents

Hi Julie,

Not sure but she was shown as daughter in 1861 not daughter in law. Also don't understand why father was not on birth certificate but he was on marriage certificate. Sorry for delay in replying I've been replying to LfW's thread about no more look ups due to breaching copyright.

Regards

Chris

Heres Elizabeth with Mum Ann, & Ann is married


Elizabeth Allsop
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Hanbury, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Hanbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Hanbury Woodend
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Burton Upon Trent
Sub registration district: Tutbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 11, 12, 13, and 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Allsop 31
Elizabeth Allsop 1
Samuel Pego 58

Hi Julie,

Yeah I guessed Ann Hudson was nee Vernon reading 1861 census. I just don't know where Allsopp comes in to it (both Mary and Elizabeth are named Allsopp unlike their parents.

Chris

Marriage cert his name could of been made up

Was just checking my G/Dads certs

On his birth their is no dads name, but on his marriage it has Charles & my surname...but i know that his mum married a Thomas though Thomas didn't father my G/Dad
Hope that makes sense

No Elizabeth & Mary are definitely done as G/ daughter

Elizabeth is 1st and it say G/ daughter
Mary is underneath and it say DO..for Ditto

Hi Julie,

I think I've totally lost the plot. I'm a bit lost on the info you've found regarding Ann Allsopp aged 31 and Elizabeth aged 1 where has this come from?

I was alreading thinking that the fathers name was made up.

Regards

Chris

Hi Julie,

Re your last.

I agree that Mary and Elizabeth are shown as grandaughter. That will be because Ann Vernon Ann Hudsons mother is shown as head of the house. When you look at the page before viewing the record it shows Ann as mother and John as father for both Mary and Elizabeth.

Regards

Chris

Re: 1851

Elizabeth was born in Hanbury so was the one in the 61 so and now see if i can tie it all in

And yes im with you now Re: G/Daughter lol

So could this be the marriage we are looking for

Marriages Dec 1860 (>99%)

ALLSOP Ann Burton 6B 482
Hudson John Burton 6b 482

So i was right Ann was married before and John is not the father of Elizabeth & Mary

Ann's 1st marriage

Marriages Dec 1839 (>99%)
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>>>ALLSOP Thomas Burton on Trent 17 21
BALL Mary Burton on Trent 17 21
BOWNI Thomas Burton on Trent 17 21
Loyd Bridget Burton on Trent 17 21
ROBERTS James Burton on Trent 17 21
TWIGG Daniel Burton on Trent 17 21
>>>VERNON Anne Burton on Trent 17 21
WOOLLEY Sarah Burton on Trent 17 21

Wow what can I say!!!!

Thanks to you my tree can now progress correctly.

I guess I will never know who Annie Elizabeths father was.

Thank you sooo much Julie.

Regards

Chris

When you see the term daughter in law don't forget it could also mean stepdaughter

Thats why i was more looking that way