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Anyone out there fancy a really good puzzle?

I have managed to find the ultimate family history puzzle an Ann Smith!

Ann is my Gt Gt Gt Grandmother according to the census reports she is born in Tuxford Nottinghamshire abt 1833.

She marries a George Sharp(e) in 1862 and she claims to be a spinster residing in Moorhouse, in the Parish of Laxton, Nottinghamshire, her father is given as William Smith, a Wheelwright. They marry in the parish of Southwell, Nottinghamshire.

I have all the census reports up until her death in 1899, but I am trying to find her prior to her marriage, so its the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census reports I am looking for. Problem is can't seem to find her, I can find an Ann Smith with a father William living in the Soutwell District, but William gives his occupation as Ag Lab, not Wheelwright?????

Anyone who could shed any light on this or point me in the right direction, I would be very grateful.

Many Thanks..........free headache pills or tipple of your choice for anyone who can help!

Spiral

There is this one - looks as if Lydia had been married before to a Smith:

1851 England Census
about Ann Smith
Name: Ann Smith
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Daughter-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Nottingham St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub registration district: St Ann
ED, institution, or vessel: 10e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Adkin 52
Lydia Adkin 47
Mary Adkin 7
Sophia Adkin 11
Ann Smith 18

Potty
Thanks ever so much for taking time to help.
I will certainly bear that one in mind.

I think I have just found Ann's father William the Wheelwright, he is a couple of pages back from where I found George in the 1861 census (RG 9 2475), he claims to be 50 born in Cuckney, Notts, his wife is Elizabeth aged 49 born in Egmanton(?), Notts. Typically though Ann is not with the family in this census!

Why oh why did I end up with a Smith!

Spiral

There is this one living in Southwell 1861.

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PIGAT, Richard H Head Married M 73 1788 Retire Captain R K
Derby
PIGAT, Catharine Wife Married F 58 1803
...
Leicestershire
MILLS, Mary Servant Widow F 37 1824 Cook
Derbyshire
SMITH, Ann Servant Unmarried F 26 1835 House Maid
Nottingham

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
2470 Folio:
38 Page:
24

Registration District:
Southwell Sub District:
1 Southwell EnumerationDistrict:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Southwell Municipal Borough:
Address:
Burgage Green, Southwell County:
Nottinghamshire

Spiral

I have found Ann and Lydia Smith on the 1841. They are living with a John Smith so probably not your Ann, although no marital status or relationships are given on the 1841.

Edit: have found a marriage for John Smith and Lydia, so doesn't look as if they are yours.

Sue C
Thanks for chipping in too.
I think that looks quite promising too, Ann doesn't give an occupation on her marriage cert, so I though she may well be with her family prior to her marriage, but having just found her parents (i think), she isn't with them, so could be just about anywhere!
Hopefully thats the 1861 census cracked, just the 1851 and 1841 to go.
Thanks again for taking the time to help
Spiral

Potty
Maybe not, but always worth keeping in mind, I have learnt that just when you think you have solved the puzzle something else crops up and you have to start all over again, so will still keep that on in mind in case I don't get anywhere else.
Again, thanks for taking a look
Spiral

Who were the witnesses at Ann's marriage...?

Smiths?

Gwyn in Kent
Ah the witnesses, this isn't going to help much I think, they where Samuel Sharpe and Eliza Sharpe, no relative of Ann's are mentioned and they marry at the Registry office, not a church/chapel.
Spiral

Spiral
Bear in mind that Ann may have taken her mum's husbands name when mum remarried.

There is this one - looks as if Lydia had been married before to a Smith:

1851 England Census
about Ann Smith
Name: Ann Smith
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Daughter-in-law Would make her Stepdaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Cheers

Ingrid in Oz
To be honest with my lot I am prepared to believe anything!
I think I have found Ann's father though, so maybe the Lydia one is wrong, but will still keep it for future reference though.
Thanks for helping anyway
Spiral

No Worries.Good to keep everything till you can rule it out.
If it makes you feel better my daughter in law is a JONES her mother is a SMITH & she would like me to do her tree for her. One day maybe.

Cheers

Ingrid in Oz
You have my complete sympathies!- Good Luck if you ever do get around to doing it!

I think I have found William Smith in the 1851 census, but yet again Ann is not with the family!

Back to the drawing board!

Thanks again

Spiral

1841.....William a wheelwright.

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SMITH, William M 30 1811 Nottinghamshire
SMITH, Elizebeth F 30 1811 Nottinghamshire
SMITH, Thomas M 9 1832 Nottinghamshire
SMITH, Ann F 5 1836 Nottinghamshire
SMITH, Mary F 3 1838 Nottinghamshire
SMITH, William M 0 (9 months) 1841 Nottinghamshire
RAMSDALE, William M 20 1821 Nottinghamshire

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
866 Book/Folio:
16/5 Page:
4

Registration District:
Southwell Sub District:
Kneesal EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Ossington Municipal Borough:
Address:
Ossington, Ossington County:
Nottinghamshire

Sue C
Thank you so much!, you are a star!.
Right that's William sorted and all his brood, just Ann to find in the 1851 and confirm the 1861.
I can't thank you enough.
Spiral

I do wonder if this is Ann in the 1851 census, on later census reports she says she is born in Tuxford?

Anyone else think this might be the one? North Collingham is near to Ossington and Southwell, so it maybe a possible


Ann Smith
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Tuxford, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: North Collingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Newark
Sub registration district: North Collingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Educk Baker 7 Mo
Hellen Baker 35
John Baker 10
Richard Baker 5
Thomas Baker 42
Thomas Baker 7
William Baker 12
William Baker 17
Ann Smith 15


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Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2136; Folio: 44; Page: 2; GSU roll: 87766

To all who helped
Thank you all so much for adding bits of the puzzle, while I may not be able to prove the 1851 & 1861 with Ann herself, at least I have found her mother, father and siblings so can continue the search from here.
Thanks again for taking the time to look, hopefully I wont discover any more Smiths in my tree!
Spiral