Genealogy Chat

Thank you portland Rose, did you get that by searching just for the address on the census? i didn't think you could do that except on the 1901 pay per view site. Thank you very much for your help. i really appreciate it.
Leanne.x

Leanne,

The address was 97 Red Cross (or Redcross) Street.

In 1891 Duckworth Geo Hy, 97 Redcross Street, Borough SE


1901 England Census
Name: George T Smith
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Henriett A
Gender: Male
Where born: Deal, Kent, England
Civil Parish: St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: Borough Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 68
Household Members: Name Age
George T Smith 32
Henriett A Smith 33
Helen M Smith 8
Christiann A Smith 4


1910 Ovenden Wm Obadiah, 97 Redcross Street, Borough SE

So you can see it changed hands quite a bit.

Rose

Thanks Heather, every avenue is worth looking into, i will contact them. Thanks again,
Leanne.x

You should try contating Southwark archives library - they are very helpful.

Hi all,

sorry i have only just got back to you all, thank you very much for the ideas and info. Portland Rose, looking at it again, the end of the word could easily be cross so i think you're right about red cross street.

Thanks Petrina and Jill for the information. i will try writing to the landlord to see if they know of anything which may help.

thanks again and sorry for the late reply,
Leanne.x

A quick Google came up with this. You could try writing to the landlord if you think it may be the right one.

http://historyofstratford.co.uk/LondonPubIndex/HistoryofPubsinLondon25.shtml

It may just have been a beer house - not a pub as we know them today.

Here in Whitstable someone has written a book called Ales and Tales which includes most (if not all) of the "pubs" but also a lot of the beer houses - they were literally someone's front room. There were plenty of them - almost every street corner had one!

You might be better off trying to pin the place down in the census - sometimes it's not clear that the address is a pub - it does not always give the name of the place - but if you work out who the neighbours are and try and find them in different censuses you might find it. Once you have an idea of how long it was in existence it might be easier to track it down.

Jill

Here's a list of Prince Of Wales pubs in 1899.

http://londonpublichouse.com/LondonPubs1899/London1899-P5.shtml

I don't see yours though.

Rose

Think it should be Red Cross Street based on the 1881 census.

Rose

Hello all,

I am trying to find out more info about family i beleive, ran or had something to do with the Prince of wales Beer House in Southwark in the 1890's.

I have them in 1891 census living in Dalston,Hackney. the mother, Emily Constance Gannaway died in 1897 and the children were distributed amongst relatives. I have finally deciphered Emily's death cert from 1897 and under when and where died is 3rd Sept 1897, Prince Wales Beer House, (then what looks like Radesow? Street). and her occupation is wife of Charles Gannaway a beer house keeper.

my question is how can i find out more about what they did and how long they were there for? I have been told that My great grandfather (Emily's son) remembered a fire at a pub they were living above at some point. but i had no idea of date or place. i don't really know how to start. i have tried kelly's directories but am not sure if i'm searching right, and i thought there may have been a report of the fire in a newspaper but have no idea where i might find that.

Any help would be fantastic.thanks for reading,
Leanne.x