Genealogy Chat

Thank you all so much, i'm very sorry i have only just returned to the thread as my internet connection has been playing up so i am having to use a different computer until mine is fixed. i'm very sorry.

There are three pictures, the first is of Fred Smith alone and this is the one that had 140 caistor park road written on the back. the second is a family picture with two young men and what look like their parents, one of the young men has on naval uniform (but not his hat) and on a table in the centre of the group is the framed picture of Fred which i have a copy of. The third picture is of the young man with the navy uniform, this time with his hat and the name of the ship on.

Thank you Paul i did not know the name of the ship was taken off of the hat's during ww1. as you say that gives quite a precise date range for the picture of the family group.

i'm sorry this is a bit confusing. i think i may have found their connection to my family, via a great aunt who married an edward smith. it could be possible that Edward was one of the young men in the family picture, and as i have their name and address in a an address book which belonged to a member of the family, i suppose he later inherited the house?

thank you all again and i am so sorry i did not reply sooner.
Leanne.x

Ah, in that case you have a date range for the picture - 1919 - March 1921.

I don't think Frederick was there..it was his picture.

Suzanne

This will help you to date one of your pictures, but add to the mystery further. During wartime the name of the ship would have been removed from the sailor's hat, so that means the picture was post-war. In 1919 HMS Carnarvon served as a cadets' training ship until sold in March 1921 and broken up on 8 November 1921. So are you sure the other person in the picture was Frederick?

I've had a look on the 1901 census on Ancestry, but haven't had any luck in identifying the family on there yet.

It may be better for you if you asked for a census lookup.. Hope it works out.

possible for parent's marriage


Marriages Dec 1894 (>99%)
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Pettit Emma Elizabeth Hackney 1b 797
Smith John Charles Hackney 1b 797

Hi all,

Yesterday we found an EXTREMELY large bag of photos na dit has given way to a few questions.

There is a memorial card which read:
"In loving memory of our eldest son, 4049 pte. Frederick Smith, 3rd London Reg., Royal Fusiliers who was killed in Action, july 1st 1916 aged 21 years." with it was a photo and on the back written "pte Smith please return to 140 Caistor Park Road, W.Ham"

There was another photo of a family group, with the said picture of pte Smith on a table in the centre. one of the young boys in this photo is wearing a naval uniform and on his hat is written HMS Carnarvon.

Here is Fred's record on CWGC:
Name: SMITH, FREDERICK
Initials: F
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: London Regiment (Royal Fusiliers)
Unit Text: 1st/3rd Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 01/07/1916
Service No: 4049
Additional information: Son of John Charles and Emma Elizabeth Smith, of 48, Morpeth St., Bethnal Green, London.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 9 D and 16 B.
Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

i would like to be able to find him on 1901 census, and try to find out his two brothers names (in picture is two young men and mother and Father) and trace his brother's navy records, if that's possible.

any ideas would be greatfully received. Thank you for reading,
Leanne.x