Genealogy Chat

MargaretManson .... yes it is William Ryan and his parents were born in Ireland.

Ericthered ... yes I was wondering if perhaps he could have got married in
America!

Thank you all for helping me with this .....

IF he went to the States..................maybe he married over there????????

The number of years they have supposedly been married may be just to fit in with the age of the eldest child. So be sceptical!

Two families I have looked at show untrue figures........one couple stated in 1911 that they had been married for 7 years............... I have the cert dated 1913!!!!!!

Have you seen this?..... may be a complete red herring, and nothing to do with your family, but is same area as you know a child was born.


Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
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Cole Eliza Charity Islington 1b 635
HANWELL Nathaniel Leeder Islington 1b 635
POOLE Qwien Islington 1b 635
RYAN William Henry Islington 1b 635

Nicky

Are you sure he's the same one that's on the American census? The one I'm looking at in Philadelphia is just William Ryan, no middle name. He was born 1861, England and his parents were both born Ireland.

Gwyn ........ on 1901 census they were in Islington with 5 of their children.
Trevor .... I had a feeling they might not have got married ... The first child
that I know about at moment was born 1888.


Thanks for all your replies to my query.

don`t think it can be the marriage Trevor found as it appears that lady was born with the surname Paul.....


Births Sep 1857 (96%)
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Paul Annie Strickland Swansea 11a 603


Nicky

Hayley, Yes they are described as married couple. I found them on 1891 census RG12/139 page 56 folio 30 at 10 Winscombe Street, Pancras, with 2 children.
I recently found William Joseph Ryan (b: 1860 Devon) on 1881 census in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA with his parents and siblings. They had emmigrated in 1870. I just do not know when William came back to U.K.
At the moment I know he had a son born about 1888 in Islington, Uk.

i tried freebmd from 1880 to 1911 and i could only find these marion
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%)
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DAVIES Catherine Swansea 11a 925
PAUL Annie Strickland Swansea 11a 925
RYAN William Joseph Swansea 11a 925
STEPHENS Thomas Swansea 11a 925

Where are they in 1901?

Maybe Ann had been married before and so wouldn't be COLE when she married William ?

Gwyn

marion,
i had the same problem but it turned out mine had lied they said they had been married 16 years but when i actualy found there marriage it turned out they had only been marrie 10 so dont take it all as gospel it may be that either 1 of them had been married before as was the case of mine.when was there 1st child born do you know ? and if so try looking for there marriage around that time good luck trevor

Thank you for your quick reply kempinawoolie hat. The children died before 1911.

If they say they've been married 28 years best place to start is work backwards. Are they on 191, or 1891 census? If so are they described as a married couple?

On 1911 does it just show they are married - doesn't necessarily mean to each other ... she could be married to his brother or anything.

Post some details of where they were living in 1911 & people may help you search earlier census

If the choldren are still born its hard to find out those details BUT there is a way ....for close rellies to find these details but I dont know the web site you need

Many of these people didnt marry but say there were.......

If the children where born after 1912 you may find them by matching MMN

If they died after birth you may find them on other census

Thats about as much as I can help other people here are better at this than me and may give you more tips

I recently looked at 1911 census and it stated that my William Joseph Ryan and Ann Ryan (nee Cole) had been married 28 years but I cannot find any marriage for them. Also I found out that they had 10 children! It says 6 living and 4 died. This was a surprise because I only knew about 2 of them ..... I have found out about the other 4 but how do I find out about the 4 that died?