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Just wondering if the name Minnie was short for anything or a stand alone name?
Any ideas??
many thanks

The name Minnie was originally a nickname for the names Mary and Wilhelmina.[1] Minnie may also be used as a nickname for any name that contains the sound "min."[2] It was used as an independant name beginning in the 1870s.[3]

The name Mary is of Latin origin, and the meaning is ambiguous. One of the commonly accepted meanings, however, is "star of the sea."[4] Wilhelmina is a German name, related to William, and means "desired protection,"[5] or "will helmet."[6]



Taken from the following website

http://wiki.name.com/en/Minnie

It came into use as a pet name (earliest in Scotland, then generally)
for Mary, Margery, Margaret, anything beginning with M, frequently as a
baby attempt at any name of the Emily, Amy, Amelia, Emma complex, for
the rare Wilhelmina, or, like 'Dolly' or 'Sissy', just as a name for a
little girl, regardless of her registered forename. It was a Scots pet
name for adult females, from husband to wife, too. 'Ma Minnie' (c.f.
'Ma Jo' (for sweetheart)
Once it was heard around, some mothers adopted it as a proper name and
many children were registered that way from the late C19. The later the
birth date of the child, the more likely it is to be 'standalone'.

Wow, thank-you, I didnt realise the name covered so many areas! finding great great granddad William Murrells marriage to a woman known as minnie somewhere in the south of England between 1907 and 1910 is not going to be an easy task!....
this isnt aided by the fact that their son is on the 1911 census... as nurse child to a goddard family... apparently his mother (my great great granny had been a naughty girl)!! Although evidently a few years later his grandfather "snatched" him from the nurse families garden, how much truth is in this I dont know.. but all very interesting lol

looks like its his birth cert on order tonight then!

Cheers again

is that an ONLY son, or did they have more children?
where was the one son born please?

did anyone have a second name?
where & when was Mr Murrell born
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just hanging onto these for a bit

Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)
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MURRELL William Swaffham 4b 545
MURRELL William Ernest Reading 2c 612

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Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)
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MURRELL William Henry Tonbridge 2a 1736

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Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%)
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MURRELL William Barnet 3a 627
MURRELL William Robert J Greenwich 1d 1679

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Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
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MURRELL William Henry D Headington 3a 2110

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Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)
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MURRELL William James Wangford 4a 2163

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Marriages Dec 1909 (>99%)
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MURRELL William Charles Bury St. E. 4a 1783

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Marriages Mar 1910 (>99%)
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Murrell William Henry Southwell 7b 769


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1910 (>99%)
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Murrell William F Willesden 3a 471

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Marriages Mar 1911 (>99%)
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Murrell William J Camberwell 1d 958

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Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
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Murrell William Grimsby 7a 1659


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1911 (>99%)
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Murrell William H Cuckfield 2b 321

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Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
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MURRELL William C Fulham 1a 814

The son Harold Austin Murrell was born Reading in 1907 (3rd quater), we have no idea what his mothers name was other than she was known as Minnie.
My nan is pretty sure the father was william murrell, but has no idea where he came from.
I wondered whether "minnie" was sent on an extended holiday to Berkshire or whether she was from that area. By all accounts they did get married in the end and went on to have a daughter Molly and a son called Jack (well this is what they were known as, again not sure if this is given name or known as), however I am not totally sure on dates of birth roughly around 1909 onwards I would think.

So any points on where to look would be great,

re : birth cert, would I get the mother and fathers names on one?

cheers again

???
Marriages Mar 1907
Downes Ada Elizabeth Reading 2c 612
FLETCHER Frederick George Reading 2c 612
MURRELL William Ernest Reading 2c 612
ROWLAND Eliza Minnie Reading 2c 612 <<<<<<<<<



Births Sep 1916
Murrell Molly E Rowland Horsham 2b 466

Looks like they were married already & for some reason Harold was put into care. Perhaps Minnie was ill after his birth.

was just about to post that I had discovered Harolds mums surname was Rowland... after a conversation with my nan about her brothers middle name being.. Rowland...... it suddenly dawned on her where it came from.. I could bang my head against a brick wall lol.

Thank you so much for the marriage details, Ive been trawling ancestry, just shows fresh eyes!!

many many thanks .. and typically another Elizabeth to add to the growing number

all the best and thanks again

Sorry couldn't find Jack.

Ozi.

Possible .........
William Ernest Murrell born 1887, Horsham

Eliza Minnie Rowland born 1889, Horsham

William Murrell born in Horsham is very likely as my family all seemed to start there, fan out else where and then return.

thanks for that will look into it :)

1901
Minnie Rowland
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Horsham, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Horsham
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsham St Mary and St Mark
Town: Horsham
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Horsham
Sub registration district: North Horsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Rowland 50
Elizabeth Rowland 50
Daisy E Rowland 23
May Rowland 21
Ethel Rowland 19
Minnie Rowland 12
Lucy R Steadman 26
Alfred Edwards 48

1901

e: William E Murrell
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Gender: Male
Where born: Horsham, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Horsham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Mark
Town: Horsham
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Horsham
Sub registration district: North Horsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 99
Household Members:
Name Age
John Murrell 43
Kate Murrell 21
John A Murrell 20
Fred Murrell 19
Ellen Murrell 19
William E Murrell 13
Alfred H Murrell 11

Didn't look far enough.

Births Jun 1921
Murrell John S W Rowland Horsham 2b 526


It's possible William went off to war.

Crikey that is some big age gap then!! ... John not Jack .. didnt think of that well done :)
looks like Horsham is the starting block for the family then... many thanks.. what has been a brick wall for ages looks to be slowly clearling.. isnt it amazing what one little comment to a grandparent can unravel!

thankyou peeps.. off to do some digging!! ...