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I also have Somerset Venns but mine come from West Somerset around Kilton and Stogursey.
There are quite a lot around there. Probably connected a long way back.
Good luck
Sue
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Hi
Thanks for the replies everyone. I think you have told me what I was feeling anyway but needed to get some input from elsewhere.
Sue - Yes I was aware of Farmer Venn born 1847 Axbridge. Axbridge was the registration district for Winscombe, Sandford, Shipham and Rowberrow where the Venn family resided for some years. Farmer Venn was amongst them and infact had an uncle of the same name who was born in 1812. This has been one of only two Farmer Venn's that I have come across.
Farmer Venn (1847) married Caroline Wride in 1867 (Q3 5C 900 Axbridge) Farmer Venn is shown as Form Venn. Maybe a mistake on the part of the registrar. Who knows but it just shows how it can sometimes get difficult to trace someone.
I have had contact with someone from Weston-Super-Mare who has extensively researched the tree Farmer Venn. He tells me that that Venns who resided in Winscombe area were originally from Cheddar.
He agreed to provide information on this tree along with sources but I said i would wait until I was a little more certain. Perhaps I will now go back and accept his kind offer.
Thanks for all your help
Tony
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Hi Anthony,
I have found that there is often confusion around the name of the parish where they were Baptised not necessarily being where the parents were living. I find that as my ancestors have got older they were less specific as to the location. This is particularly confusing if you don't know the area yourself - it sometimes helps to plot the places on a map to make sense of it.
Julia
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HI I agree with Anne people's memory can be very selective, especialy about there age.
I have one person in my tree who was born in 1841( a confirmed date) who was widowed an then re-married. His new wife was much younger than him and in all the census dates after his marriage he stated dob as 1855.
Sometimes they just strectched the truth a little
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Not sure if you have seen this from BMD but it confirms the poor man really was called Farmer
Births Mar 1847
Venn Farmer Axbridge 10 323
I wouldn't worry about ages on censuses too much. Some of mine were several years out!
My 2x great grandmother married a man a bit younger than herself and as each census went by she got closer and closer to him in age. By 1891 she was the same age as he was!
I started looking for her years ago in the Records Office trawling through microfiche after microfiche and not realising I needed to look quite a bit earlier.
Sounds as if you have the proof you need that he is the son of Farmer as the wife being nee Hall fits.
Sometimes places of birth get muddled depending on who gave the details to fill in the form. Sometimes people said their place of birth was the place they grew up not realising that in earlier censuses their parents had correctly said somewhere else. Some babies would have been born in the mother's home village (often young wives went home to mother for the birth of at least the first child).
I think in modern times we are so used to filling in forms with our date and place of birth that we forget these things weren't so important or necessary years ago.
Sue
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Hi
Apologies in advance for what seems a long winded post but I can see no other way of getting all the facts over.
Started tree about 10 months ago with only my own Birth certificate so knew fathers and mothers full names. Spent all but 6 months of childhood in care so did not know much about my mother or father. Managed to make progress on mothers side but fathers side kept drawing a blank. I traced my mother to an address in London and made contact. She told me my father was 10 years older than her when she had me which meant he was born around 1918 and that he was Welsh. Could find nothing in ant searches around this time. Requested access to my childcare records from London last September. Did not expect them to have anything after some 45 years but bingo, they had 4 volumns covering almost 300 pages of information. Surprise, Surprise, first entry was application made out by my father with his date of birth as 14/8/1895. He was 57 when I was born and not 32 as I was told. The records also showed he died sometime in 1956. It just goes to show that no matter how close the relative they may have skeletons in the cupboard that they do not wan't anyone to see.
Have now got fathers Birth & Death Certificate and from these managed to source what I believe is his parents Marriage Certificate. Info from birth & marriage certs as follows as follow:
NAME - William Venn
BORN - 14/8/1895 Bedminster
FATHERS NAME - Charles Venn
MOTHERS NAME - Harriett Venn formerly Hall
RESIDENCE - The Down, Bedminster
WHEN MARRIED - 17/12/1888
WHERE MARRIED - Parish Church in the Parish of Bedminster
GROOMS NAME - Charles Venn
AGE - 21
CONDITION - Bachelor
PROFESSION - COLLIER
RESIDENCE - Windmill Hill, Bedminster
FATHERS NAME - FARMER VENN (Deceased)
BRIDES NAME - Harriett Hall
AGE - 23
PROFESSION - Charwoman
RESIDENCE - Windmill Hill, Bedminster
FATHERS NAME - Robert Hall (Deceased)
From the information from the 2 certificates I am fairly certain that these are linked. Any thoughts on this appreciated.
When I look further I start to have doubts as follows:
I found a Charles & Harriet Venn on 1891 census living and both born Bedminster but Charles age is 22 and Harriet 23 which does not tie up with marriage certificate. In 1901 census they are still living bedminster and shown as born there with amongst their children William age 5 which would tie up with my father. Only Charles Venn that I can find born Bedmister between 1865 & 1875 is born in 1866 but from the cetificate I have for this it shows Father as William which again does not tie with marriage certificate.
What I have found is some correlation to a Charles Venn born 1869 Winscombe/Sandford depending on what census you choose. His father was Farmer Venn born c1847 Winscombe (1851 census)
1871 census shows Charles Venn aged 1 born and living Winscombe with parents Farmer & Caraline.
1881 shows Charles living Portishead (reg Dist Bedminster) living with his mother but no father.
As I was unable to tie the Charles Venn, born 1866, Bedminster to the marriage certificate the I do not believe that this person is connected to the Charles & Harriett in the marriage certificate.
I keep asking myself. Is the Charles Venn born 1869 in Winscombe and not Bedminster the person shown on the marriage certificate. Afterall the forename Farmer is fairly rare. If he is, why the differences in ages between marriage certificate and census reurns for 1891 & 1901.
If it was the Charels born 1869 why would he lie on the marriage certificate. Perhaps to cover the fact that he would have only been 19 and needed consent. If the marriage and census records wre linked then they certainly rectified this lie on the census returns. Harriet has her father down as deceased on the marriage certificate and this is confirmed in the census by her mother showing as widowed, but I can find no death for farmer Venn before the marriage so was this put on the marraige certificate as a means of circumventint the requirement of consent.
All very confusing. I would apprecaite any suggestions, comments, etc that would help in subtantiating to some degree whether the Charles Venn born 1869 is that shown on the marriage certificate. Any other suggestions as to how I can move forward with this part of my treeare most welcome.
Thanks for your time and assistance
Tony
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