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Hi all ,
i,ve been at this for over a year but still got no further on ,if anyone can help i will be eternally grateful.

my grandfather was john montgomery davidson born in 1890/91 .I have located his marriage and death cert. but have never found his birth cert.
His parents names on both cert. are john montgomery davidson and agnes davidson (nee neil.) I wrote to edinburgh to see if they could find his birth record only to be told there was no said child born of those said parent's .
I have also tried england and wales but still found nothing and i also have never been able to find his parent's marriage cert. either,so as you can see i have been at a standstill and can't get any further
any help would be great. neil

Is it possible the parents never married? Could he be registered under mums name?

Is this Scotland? When was the registration of births made compulsory? I know in England it's 1875 ish but is it later in Scotland maybe?

Jill

Whereabouts in Scotland did these folk live ?

you've not said where he was born - was it Edinburgh?

Do you have his father's occupation?

Rose

Hi all,
He was married in glasgow in 1914 aged 23 and died in fort-william inverness-shire and nobody seem's to know where he was born.
many thanks neil.

For reference: Death:

Agnes Davidson/Neil (cross ref death)
1893
Lanark
District: Airdrie

Agnes is one of those names that could be a derivation of another name.
eg. Ann or maybe Margaret.

Maybe worth thinking about.

AND

Just for interest:
From the IGI (a submitted record)

John Montgomery Davison Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
16 MAY 1834 Barnish, , Antrim, Ireland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Thomas Davison Family
Mother: Jane Montgomery

Helen

Again, just for ref: following on from the above info.

IF ? Agnes / Ann were to interchange her name, this may be the family in the 1891 census....living in Airdrie, Lanarkshire. (see death notice)


1891 Scotland Census
about Ann Davidson
Name: Ann Davidson
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : John
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland, CO Armaga
Registration Number: 651/1
Registration district: Airdrie
Civil Parish: New Monkland
Town: Airdrie
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 26 Grahamshill
ED: 32
Household schedule number: 6
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1891_314
Household Members:
Name Age
John Davidson 43
Ann Davidson 40
Robert Davidson 18

Helen

Following on from the 1891 census ... above.

This may be the birth for Robert Davidson

Robert Davison
4th June 1872
New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland

Father: John Davison
Mother: Agnes McVey

Helen

Than you everyone for your help.

I did look at the death for agnes davidson /neil but sadly was'nt her .At the time of john montgomery's marriage in 1914 his father was deceased /occupation labourer.
but his mother was still alive.

Anyway i'm looking into what you have all suggested and hopefully something will turn up (they have to be somewhere .
many thanks neil.

Do you have the names of the witnesses to the marriage?

Rose

Hi all,
I have since found two
sheriff court records for john davidson in the NATIONAL ARCHIVE OF SCOTLAND and are hoping to get them open maybe in these files it gives his date and place of birth.
neil.

There is this one in 1901:

1901 Scotland Census
about John Davidson
Name: John Davidson
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Agnes
Gender: Male
Where born: Half Morton, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 827
Registration district: Gretna
Civil Parish: Gretna
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Green Cottage
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 32
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1901_431
Household Members: Name Age
John Davidson 34
Agnes Davidson 37
Mary Davidson 13
John Davidson 10
Janet Davidson 6
Andrew Davidson 4

There are two John Davidsons born in Dumfriesshire coming up on Scotlandspeople but I haven't any credits to view.

Since civil registration began in 1837, all births have to be registered within 6 weeks (42 days). There is a fine for late registration. Until 1875, it was the responsibility of the Registrar (not the parents) to ensure all births were registered. In 1875 the law changed and the responsibility to register a birth now fell on the parents.
There has always - since 1837 - been a fine for late registration of births.