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Rose
you my dear I have to say is a huge huge star thank you so so so much im going to order it I think this will tie it all together I might have seen it and disregarded it as it being west derby(I didnt link it whatso ever to Liverpool),but because I have put it all together on here instead fo some bits on notepads on my desktop! Im sure now the alfred C looks like that but is in fact an E (wonderful old type curly writing hehe)
Witnesses to marriage one was a James Jameson who married emmas younger sister
Really appreciate that 2am and im still awake I remeber now why 3 years ago I gae up family history for a while.
Will try and get it ordered but anyother suggestions are greatful
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This could be his birth cert:
Births Sep 1868
BROWN Alfred Edward W. Derby 8b 310
Rose
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The E stands for Edward according to the 1911 census.
Rose
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What about the witnesses to the marriage?
Rose
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Hi Jim
I remember the 1891 wasnt quite right he is alf not alfred :) Thank you my alfred married in Loppington shropshire in 1881 to an emma cox
In 1881 Emma is living in Eccles Manchester as a servant
I am still convinced there is some connection to the Browns in Toxteth Park with the parents coming from shropshire it all seems too coincidental.
Any more suggestion greatful
Jan (wishing she had a time machine )
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Still a C
1871 England Census
about Alfred C Brown
Name: Alfred C Brown
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Alfred
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: St Clement
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image
Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 57
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Brown 26
Martha Brown 35
Alfred C Brown 2
Martha Braddock 20
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1891 England Census
about Alf E Brown
Name: Alf E Brown
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cleopas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alf E Brown 23
Emma Brown 25
Martha E Brown 2
Alf Ed Brown 6/12
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I cant find a definate link to my great great grandfather.
This is him in 1901
1901
100 Park Street Eccles
Alfred E Brown 32 Liverpool occ Railway Goods guard
Emma Brown 37 loppington Shropshire
Martha E Brown 12 loppington
Alfred E 10 Loppington
Emily 8 Patricroft
Henry 5 Patricroft
Annie 3 Patricroft
Thomas 2months Patricroft
I know its def my g granfathers dad as I have all the baptism records etc of Thomas and the other children
On his marriage cert alfred snr is married to Emma Brown (nee cox) have their marriage cert they were married in shropshire.Father of alfred is stated as Alfred brown occ farmer
The only person on the census I can find which could be him younger is this
View Record
Preview
Name: Alfred Brown
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Melverley, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: St Clement
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 57
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Brown 26
Martha Brown 35
Alfred C Brown 2 (This is who I think is actually Alfred E Brown its not very clear on the actual copy but to me looks like an E)
Martha Braddock 20
There seems to many links not to be him they are in Liverpool toxteh Park the same time as young Alfred was born (I also have found the marriage of Alfred and Martha) young alfreds parents were originally from shropshire which is where alfred went back to and maybe met emma cox? young alfreds mother is Martha and young alfreds eldest daughter is also martha,
I just need to see if someone else could suggest how to find out if I could find out for definate if this is my relative I have tried to find young alfreds birth but to no avail any suggestions would be greatfully received.
Thanks in advance Jan
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