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Found this on freereg:

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County Bedfordshire
Place Eaton Socon
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 13 Dec 1835
Forename Charles
Sex M
FatherForename William
MotherForename Judith
FatherSurname BROWNHILL
MotherSurname
Abode St Neots
FatherOccupation Labourer
Notes By whom the ceremony was performed John DÆURBAN Curate
FileNumber 8784

I would say that whoever submitted the IGI entry found Charles, George and Rose in the 1851 and has no real proof of Charles's mother's name.

Probably a red herring EDIT - from occupations definitely a red herring!:
Charles Brownhill
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Gender: Male
Where born: St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England

Civil Parish: St Neots
Town: St Neots
County/Island: Huntingdonshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St Neots
Sub registration district: St Neots
ED, institution, or vessel: 11b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
William Brownhill 44 widower, Ostler
Charles Brownhill 15 butcher's boy
John Brownhill 4
Ann Barnes 56
Henry Barnes 13
Christopher Barnes 1

Both Charles and William are shown as labourers on the marriage certificate. Point taken about relationships in 1841, but there is an IGI submitted [ie iffy!] for a Charles born to George and Rose. Yes, there's no Rose in 1841, but then there is no Sarah in '51. Could be used name as opposed to real name.

,,,Dugless

The 1841 family in 1851. So, either Sarah and Rose are the same people or Sarah has died and George has married Rose:
1851 England Census
about George Luff
Name: George Luff
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rose
Gender: Male
Where born: St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England

Civil Parish: St Neots
Town: St Neots
County/Island: Huntingdonshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St Neots
Sub registration district: St Neots
ED, institution, or vessel: 11b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 65
Household Members: Name Age
George Luff 47
Rose Luff 45
Ann Luff 23
George Luff 20
Charles Luff 18
Samuel Luff 16
Sarah Luff 8
Charles Luff 37
Ann Luff 16

I think this is slightly complicated by the fact that there seems to be another Charles Luff born in Huntingdonshire who is married to an Elizabeth. His parents could be George and Rose.

Or is this the same Charles who marries again?

Th 1841 census does not give relationships, so Charles's parents may not be the George and Sarah he is living with. I cannot see a Rose in the 1841.

What were Charles and William's occupations on the marriage cert?

My great great grandfather was Charles Luff and I have traced him in the 1861 census when he was 26 and an agricultural labourer living at Eaton Socon, Hunts. With him are his wife Emma [29, nee Markham] and their children William [4], Emma [2], and George [3 months, later to become my great grandfather]. [RG9/0984/F?/P30]

With help from formum readers, I then also found him at Pattisons Yard, St Neots, in 1841 [HO107/0454/F?/P16] and at High Street, St Neots, in 1851 [HO107/1750/F178/P16]. These show his parents as George and Sarah or Rose. There is also a submitted entry to the IGI showing his parents as George and Rose Luff. All the names and ages seem to tally so everything seems robust.

That is except for one minor detail. On the marriage certificate dated 7 November 1856, when Charles was 21, his father isn’t George but William Brownhill [or is it Bromhill?] Luff! The IGI entry for his marriage also shows his father as William Brownhill Luff. So far, no trace of either William Luff or his son Charles has been found in 1841 or 1851.

So where were they? Have I been looking in the wrong places? Any ideas, please?

...Dugless