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Where would you look for the parentage of this fellow?

HUGH MUNRO was born circa 1740, and died 15 Jan 1794 in St Botolph's Without Aldgate, London (Source: Corporation of Trinity House Petition from Elizabeth Munro - March 1794, also - burial records of St Botolphs.). He married ELIZABETH. She was born circa 1742, and died 04 Mar 1829 in St Botolph's without Aldgate, London (Source: burial records of St Botolphs.).

Notes for HUGH MUNRO:
Elizabeth applied for a pension from Trinities House in 1794 as Hugh had died. She said that he was a Captain with the Transport Services sailing out of the Thames at the time.

More About HUGH MUNRO:
Military service 1: 1758, Midshipman on HMS Speedwell
Military service 2: 22 Jun 1760, Joined HMS Surprize as an Able Seaman under Captain Joseph Fraine (Source: Muster Books and Pay Books of HMS Surprize.)
Military service 3: 03 Jul 1760, Became Midshipman on HMS Surprize until 19th July 1760
Military service 4: 20 Jul 1760, Master's Mate on HMS Surprize
Military service 5: 21 Feb 1762, Acting Lieutenant on HMS Surprize
Military service 6: 01 May 1762, Returned to Master's Mate on HMS Surprize

Could this be his parents marriage?


Hugh Monro Pedigree
Male Family


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Marriages:
Spouse: Mary Kain Family
Marriage: 25 FEB 1739 Westminster, London, England



Nicky

Thanks Nicky - it might be! Is that A world tree on Ancestors.com perhaps?

Jennifer

That record is from the IGI, its a pity it dosn`t give which church for Westminster, to help you narrow it down, Westminster is a huge area with many parishes......... I have quite a few relatives who have married/born/lived in eirther the City or Westminster and seem to flip back and forward between the 2, which is why I picked up on that as a possibility. May be easier to track it through Mary,.....Kain is a more unusual name.

Nicky

I'll give it a try - thanks!

Jennifer

Given the date for the marriage it could well be a 'Fleet' marriage. I heard a lecure recently and the speaker said that for some reason the IGI have many 'Fleet' marriages recorded as Westminster even though they did not take place in Westminster!

For a guide to Fleet marriages...

http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/frc/pdfs/HTU_fleet_registers.pdf

Chris

Thanks Chris - I've been thinking he came from Scotland so this is a new direction for me -Jennie XX

Hi Nicky - I've hunted through the IGI batch numbers for London and Middlesex in every parish that has marriage records for the period and cannot find the entry for Hugh Monro and Mary Kain. Do you have any suggestions? jennie

Hi Jennifer,
Won't Hugos' marriage record to Elizabeth give some details about his parentage?

Regards
Steve.

Hi Jennifer, these are the only two possible marriages I could find for Hugh Monro to Elizabeth on IGI (search field 1750 to 1790, all countries)
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HUGH MUNRO Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH MC CAY Family
Marriage: 17 FEB 1763 Kiltearn, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
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HUGH MONRO Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH RICHIE Family
Marriage: 18 DEC 1789 Carriden, West Lothian, Scotland
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Regards,
Steve.

Thanks Steve - I think the Ross and Cromarty on eis the most likely as I think he came from the area around Fowlis Castle in Inverness. Do you know how I could get to see this record? WOuld it be in the Inverness library do you think? Thanks for your help - jennie

You can arrange for the film to be sent to your local LDS church and view it there.

English marriage lines (pre 1837) don't show parents but Scottish ones might be different.

Jill

Thanks Jill - I'll have a go! Jennie

Hi Jennifer,
Sorry I don't know which record library you'll need to visit.

But this is the info in supplied in IGI regarding source information for this marraige.

Source Information:
Batch Number: 7229824
Sheet: 52
Source Call No.: 0822528 Type: Film

Regards,
Steve.

Hi Jennifer,
This could be a possible birth for Hugh.

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HUGH MONRO Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth: 21 OCT 1738
Christening: 22 OCT 1738 Nairn, Nairn, Scotland
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Parents:
Father: DONALD MONRO Family
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C111232 1705 - 1771 0990984 Film 6902605 Film

C111232 1771 - 1854 0990985 Film NONE
Sheet: 00
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Regards,
Steve.

Family legend says that Hugh should have inherited the title 'baron of Fowlis'. It's very complicated but the rumour has persisted for over 250 years so there must be something in it surely? The family names are: Hugh, Robert, Thomas, Nathaniel, John and those have been repeated down the generations so they must have come from somewhere.

If you have time I can explain:
The direct line came to an end in 1848 when Sir Hugh Munro of Obsdale Fowlis died without a male heir.
The entail set up by his father Sir Harry came into force then
The next family in line should have been the Munro's of Culcairn but no living male heir could be found (supposedly)
The Munro's of Culrain took the title - distant cousins.

My Uncle left a letter saying that he had seen a document with the family papers. It was from the War Office in 1747 describing a Munro who had been murdered when he was mistaken for someone else because he was riding a borrowed horse. You can read the story here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Munro_of_Culcairn

This is what happened to Captain George Munro of Culcairn who was the first Munro of Culcairn. He would have been my Hugh's Grandfather if , as I think, Hugh,s father was John Munro of Culcairn and his mother was Catharine Ross. Culcairn is in Kiltearn and the marriage you found was in Kiltearn. ??

What did my Uncle ted see? Could it have been a notification about Hugh's Grandfather? If not why would it have been in the family? Uncle Ted had no idea who it was about or what it's significance was. He just sais it had been with Hugh's original ship's logs which my brother has and the family bible which has disappeared.