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criminal information or newspapers in 1866 Wisbech

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 18 Apr 2009 04:11

Great to hear that you managed to find the newspapers

It is incredible how much detail they put in the newspaper accounts back in those days, isn't it?

In the account of my grandfather's death, the coroner even suggested that the family might have a case against the railway company for having an unlocked door to the compartment ......... if they felt like taking it up. I guess they didn't!




Thank you for coming back to let us know.

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 18 Apr 2009 02:20

good news. Went to the local family history society, and a lovely woman went to the archives and photocopied the two articles about the crime.
It seems there was a fight that led to the death of my relative. However there is thought that he may have died soon anyway as he had a spongey brain from the drink. Lovely.
Amazing how much detail was in the article. All the witness statements and such too.
Thank you for your help.

cheers

Vanessa

Vicci

Vicci Report 6 Mar 2009 05:55

Newspaper Archives

http://www.origins.org.uk/genuki/NFK/norfolk/newspapers/#archives

Researching:
Lashmore, Lines, Smith, Reilly, Mendus

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 6 Mar 2009 01:18

Hi Vanessa

I wondered if that was what you meant!

I'm in banana land aka the West Coast!


sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 5 Mar 2009 18:55

some great tips, I have googles but did not look for the library. I posted at the local newspaper. I will try the web sites too.
Here is all the info I have so far.
Charles George Rutherford was married in 1855 to Sarah Ann Ramsdale. In 1861 [census] lived Walpole St Peter, Norfolk. They had 5 children together. Then on Jan 01 1866, Charles, a Brewers Labourer, and 30 yrs old was killed by Frederick Symonds against whom a verdict of Manslaughter was returned. Info from the Coroner of Norfolk. Death cert district Wisbech in the subdistrict of Walsoken.

Oh CDA is just short for Canada. Just nice to know where folks are etc.

thank you for the help. I will start with locating the library.

Vicci

Vicci Report 5 Mar 2009 05:59

The local library is definately worth a shot.

I had a simliar incident in my partner's family where the husband killed his wife.
I contact the Cornish Studies Library and they sent me the newspaper reports from 1854 free of charge.

I also googled the name of the murderer and found references to him at Bodmin gaol where he was hanged.

There's always a chance that it maybe in the London Times
www.timesonline.co.uk

Researching:
Lashmore, Lines, Smith, Reilly, Mendus

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Mar 2009 04:05

BTW ..... where is CDA?


just curious!


sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Mar 2009 04:04

Vanessa


where did he die? The PLACE of death should be somewhere on the death certificate.

Google that town, and see if they have a Local Archives and Study Centre.

Access that, and see if they have holdings of newspapers or microfiches going back into the 19th century.

Email them with all the information you have gatherd .... name of your relative, date of death, date of inquest, name of murderer, and ask if they can find anyhting.


I have just successfully obtained a two page account of my great grandfather's death and inquest in 1877 (he fell out of a train carriage) from the Local Archives Centre in my old home town.


some people have found lots of information on their county library site ............... google (county name) library. Unfortunately for me, my home town was not included in Lancashire Libraries, even though it is in Lancashire!


Alternatively, try googling the name of the murderer and see if ayhting comes up.


You might also try www.blacksheepindex.co.uk .................. you do have to pay to see the majority of records on this site though.



sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 5 Mar 2009 03:42

thank you. I searched there but no luck. Not sure what that local paper would be. I am in CDA.

thank you for your help

Sisterbee

Sisterbee Report 4 Mar 2009 22:38

Hi Vanessa,
Don't know if it will help but you can view thousands of notorious criminal cases that were tried at the Old Bailey on-line now at http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/#
Even if you don't find your case the site makes fascinating reading, if a bit ghoulish at times!!

If your case was tried locally the library is probably your best bet, or you could try calling the local paper who often keep archive material.

CC

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 4 Mar 2009 21:14

I have received a death cert of a relative and cause of death is listed as being killed by Frederick Symonds against whom a verdict of manslaughter was returned.
I would like to find out what happened. Are there any Newspapers or criminal records available for this area in 1866. This is my first brush with the law :)