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Hi Margaret,

Just spent some time looking at the info you posted - I think the 1871 mistranscribed census looks like it is the family after John died - well done!! (also thank you Jim), I would never have found it. I am going to try and see if birth certs (in Bolton) for James & Ann could be correct (according to my notes they had told me previously that its not the correct one for Ann), this time I might play it a little different and make out I don't know name of mother -and just insist that father's info be taken. If they both turn out totally wrong then will presume they were both born in Ireland.

One of the biggest problems I've had is being unable to find John the Tailor - alive 1861 and dead by next census!!!!! and obviously no marriage for him in England that i can tie up.

I have various certs for two youngest children - even their marriages but these two birth certs have been illusive. My g. grandfather James married in 1882 aged 19 so really would expect his birth to be 1863 and Ann married in 1881 aged 20 according to their certificates - Which does make me think of Ireland births. Then I'll have a massive job finding them - somewhere in Mayo.

Have got some info from MAYO ancestors site, which I can try, although will need to look at different years in case John was married before!!.

Thanks for your help will let you know about certificates

Regards,

Pat

Magaret,

Morning, i never gave it a thought that John had been married before, as he was so young when he died (29). I have to be at work at 9.15 so hadn't better get too much into this or I'll be late. Will have a good look when I get back after 3.00, but it does look pretty good!

Probably why Bolton told me wrong parents for Ann's birth cert. eh! I also had not been able to find a marriage for John & bridget and had started to think they had never married at all

Be in touch later
Many thanks
Pat

Bridget's surname is Kelly - that's from Mary Ellen & Margaret's bc's plus its on her death cert in 1895 - also showing John as a Tailor (deceased)

Pat

You know Bridget's surname. Is that from one of the children's birth certs? If so which one?

I think the wife is Mary. I can't work out where the "J" came from. If you look at Mary Birch in a previous household they are very similar.

The children are born in Ireland so the marriage probably took place there.

Ozi.

Back now - if anyones's got any answers!

Just having a break for a bite to eat - back in 20- mins

Pat

Margaret, found this one but checked with Bolton and its the wrong parents. They checked 2 years each side

Pat

Margaret/Dee,

This was the 1881 census I followed - I know is correct because of Son's marriage:- but couldn't find census for 1871

Bridget Durkin
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Horton In Bradford
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 56 Duncan St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: General Servant

Registration district: Bradford
Sub registration district: Horton
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Bridget Durkin 40
Ann Durkin 20
Margaret Durkin 16
Mary E. Durkin 13
James Gillfoyle 21

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4460; Folio: 132; Page: 17; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342067.

Thanks
Pat

Margaret,

John Durkin born 1838c died 12/1867 in Bradford. Bridget nee Kelly born 1845c Ireland.

Regards
Pat

Hi Guys,
Hope I've copied this correctly?
Sorry about lack of info - also should have said found him under DURKAN.

John Durkin - Ireland - 1838c - Bradford - Dec 1867

Name: Jno J Durkan
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: J
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Little Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Bolton
Sub registration district: Little Bolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14g
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 210
Household Members: Name Age
Jno J Durkan 23
J Durkan 21
John Durkan 2
Ann Durkan 7 Mo


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Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2823; Folio: 50; Page: 46; GSU roll: 543034

Regards,
Pat

1871 England Census
about Margeret Dowhan
Name: Margeret Dowhan
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Bridget
Gender: Female
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Horton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Bradford
Sub registration district: Horton
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 220
Household Members: Name Age
Bridget Dowhan 33
Ann Dowhan 9
James Dowhan 7
Margeret Dowhan 6
Mary Dowhan 3
Mary Kelly 27
Robert Bernbey 45
Winifred Bernsbey 42
Robert Bernsbey 12
William Henry Bernsbey 9
John Mc Laing 35
Ellen Mc Laing 32
Bridget Mc Laing 14
James Mc Laing 12
Elizabeth Mc Laing 10
John Mc Laing 8
Michael Hagar 24
Annie Hagar 23
Bridget Hagar 2
Thomas Hagar 3 months
Luke Connell 65
Mary Powell 32

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4478; Folio: 69; Page: 34; GSU

It might have been a good idea to copy the family from a census onto here or put the 1861 Source Citation

Dee x

Could somebody please take a look at 1861 census and help with some queries, as I don' t want to see what "I'm expecting to see", if you get what I mean.

I'm looking for:- John DURKIN (GG GF) - Tailor (Journeyman) with wife Bridget, both born in Ireland and residing in Yorkshire area. On 1861 census the wife's name is listed as "J", and doesn't even look like Bridget.

1. Any ideas what it could be?

Bridget & John had 3 daughters Ann (1861c born in Bolton), Margaret (1865 Leeds), Mary Ellen (1868 Bradford) according to info on 1881 census, with correct address month before son's wedd. cert). Son James (G GF) - 1863c born Ireland) according to previous family info. I have bc's for Margaret & Mary Ellen with correct parents, but cannot find bc for Ann with correct parents.

2. Could the 1881 census stating Bolton as Ann's birthplace be incorrect? or could it be the 1861 that is wrong?

3. James has always been stated as born in Ireland, do you think that the family would actually have gone to Ireland for his birth?

3. Plus I was never aware of another son, I suppose he died very young - I'm having a job finding his death information or am I presuming too much?

and finally

4. Any idea what the address is on manuscript? - looks a bit like 46 Bh/Bk HAY????? St

Any help would be very appreciated.

Pat