Genealogy Chat

My GGFx3 had the Crown Inn at Wimbledon "village". Its very well documented - the beautiful people of London used to meet in a room there - all the poets and writers and apparently they would be besieged by reporters - lol you dont think of life like a Hello magazine back then do you BUT when I wrote to the brewery who now own the chain I didnt even get a reply. Youd think they would have some sort of records in archives wouldnt you! After GGFx3 death his wife appeared to carry on part of the inn - the lodging bit but let out the brewing and beer selling side to someone else.

Its amazing really, I often sit here and think when we are delving into our ancesty, those people lived long and full lives and yet we tend to think of them in just snap shots.

Heather Posi.
The family are in all the census from 1861-1911 living in the pub with the husband's occupation given as Joiner/wheelright and licensed victualler from the 1871 census onwards. In the 1861 census only the wife is there under her maiden name but she is living with her aunt & uncle and they are the licensees. The couple married in 1862 and seem to have just taken over the licence when the Uncle died and the Aunt moved in with one of her children.
My sister lives in the same village so she has been given instructions to book a table for dinner next weekend and I shall go armed with census records as suggested by Mrs Grumpy and see what happens.
If nothing else it gets me out of cooking dinner next weekend !!!

Could be worth asking at the pub if they have any old paperwork. There might be deeds or such. Some of the pubs near me have old deeds and other paperwork framed and hanging on the walls and I expect lots mroe pubs have a bundle of old documents somewhere so definitely worth asking. Especially if you can show them some of the info from old censuses - they'll know you're genuine as well.

Jill

Well many a pub was run by a husband and wife team - the man pursuing his normal trade and the wife in effect running the pub. I have many instances of it. So it wouldnt be unusual for a joiner to continue with his own work and the rest of the family to do the day to day running of a pub.

Have you looked this family up on all census from 1841 onwards?

Am just curious to find out which one of the couple actually held the licence. My Gtx3 Aunt lived at the pub before her marriage when it was run by her Aunt & Uncle. Did she carry on the licence when her husband moved into the inn and Aunty and Uncle left or did her husband who had no experience and is a joiner by profession take it on by virtue of being born male. I guess I am hoping for some evidence of womens lib even so long ago.

What are you hoping to find? If you already know they ran the pub? The licence application may be at the local records office but Im not sure it will give you much info.

Many thanks for ideas both of you. Will check them out & let you know

Try on here it goes up to about 1920

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/


I have found the pubs and landlords in my own village from 1850-1910

hi there,
The best thing to do is look at local Almanacks as they tell you where the post went from and usually its a pub. Also try Whites Directory's and Kelly's directory as they tell you who was landlord at the time. Depending on how good the local library is or archives, depends on how far they go back. You do have to be in the area of research as library and archives don't usually keep directories out of county. Did find somthing on the national arcives who do hold lists, try the search on there by putting the name of the person you are searching for. Happy hunting. If you need anymore help, just let me know. Mine too owned a pub in Lincolnshire.
thanks

Does anyone know if pub landlords had to be licenced in the 1800's as they do today and if so would records be available. I have just found out that my ancestors ran a lovely little country pub in the Lake District for all of the latter half of the century but different family members were landlords due to deaths and marriages and it would be nice to know exactly who was in charge and from what dates. It's a pub I use when visiting family who live in the next village and we never knew of the connection. Who knows it might be worth a free drink next time we visit.