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I have a William Collier born around 1814 in Bury, Lancs. On his marriage cert in 1860 his father is down as James Ratcliffe. Don't know where to go from here to find out who his mother was and if James Ratcliffe was his father - any ideas?

1851 I think.

Name: William Collier
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Cousin
Gender: Male
Where born: Bury, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Bury
Town: Bury
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bury
Sub registration district: North Bury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
John Collier 39
Fanny Collier 39
Peter Collier 4
William Collier 39


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2215; Folio: 5; Page: 2; GSU roll: 87225.

Living with COUSIN.

Jim

Thanks that's a start hadn't found him before 1871.

Ah Anne, this could be a really interesting one. This is what research is all about - finding the less than obvious.

You might end up researching most of the Colliers in Bury - and the Ratcliffes - before you find an answer.

Good Luck

Margaret

I am off to the archvies in Bury on Friday to see what I can find. In 1871 he has an adopted son with them called Hamlet Collier, in 1881 Hamlet is back with his real family in Warrington - what's that all about?

Hi Ann he says he was born in Golborne on the 1861 and what looks like Lowton spelt Loton on the 1871.

It could be his mother had him out of wedlock but soon after she married a James Ratcliffe who brought him up so to speak.. and would be the only father he knew.

So i would be looking for a Ratcliffe-Collier marriage if i were you.


Colette

Its a bit odd in that census that all the adults are the same age!

Hi Ann

This will be the marriage


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JAMES RATCLIFFE Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: MARTHA COLLIER Family
Marriage: 05 DEC 1825 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England


1841 census (Warefoot) the road or area..Bury

James Ratcliffe age 55 Ag Labourer cant make out if born in Lancs or not
Martha age 55 b Lancs
George Ratcliffe age 30 b Lancs
Henry Ratcliffe age 35 b Lancs
Ann Ratcliffe age 30 b Lancs
John Ratclifee age 8 b Lancs
Margaret Ratcliffe age 6 b Lancs
George Ratcliffe age 4 b Lancs
Martha Ratcliffe age 2 b Lancs
Beth Ratcliffe age 7 weeks b Lancs

so George or Henry must be married to Ann

Gotta be his mother dont you think ???

Regards Colette

Thanks everyone, I will checked all that out at the archives in Bury tomorrow, at least now I have somewhere to start..

Anne