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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Apr 2009 06:16

so to answer your question



Jane xxxxx married Mr Mawdesley

Then Jane Mawdesley married Mr Phillips, and she appears on the 1881 Census as Jane Phillips


Then for some reason, she reverted to her first married name Jane Mawdesley, for the 1891 Census ............ either she reverted, or whoever told the enumerator her name forgot that she had been a Phillips. The fact that she is noted as Married on the 1891 might just be a forgetful moment on someone's part


OR of course, she could always have left Richard Phillips ...... marriage breakup was by any means uncommon in those days, but people could not afford divorces.



sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Apr 2009 06:10

also aware that you probably have this information on that unspecified thread



but I wan to satisfy my own hunt!


1851 Census

Name: Jane Mawdsley
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Wigan
Sub registration district: Wigan

James Mawdsley 33
Jane Mawdsley 28
Ann Mawdsley 5
Betty Mawdsley 1



sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Apr 2009 05:58

Is this Jane with her hsudban Richard Phillips in 1871??

1871 Census

Name: Jane Phillips
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Richard
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ince in Makerfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Ince in Makerfield
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Wigan
Sub registration district: Hindley

Richard Phillips 35 b.ca 1836, Ince, Lancashire, Collier
Jane Phillips 45 Housekeeper



sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Apr 2009 05:52

You may well ahve had this census on the previous thread you mentioned

1861 Census

Name: Ann Mawdesley
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Wigan
Sub registration district: Wigan

Jane Mawdesley 38 Widow
Ann Mawdesley 15
Betty Mawdesley 11
James Mawdesley 9
Alice Mawdesley 6
Jane Mawdesley 3




sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 10 Apr 2009 05:48

John Occleshaw married an Ann Mawdsley ........ which implies that Ann's mother married a Phillips as her seond husband ........... so she was reverted to her previous name on the later census


Marriages Sep 1863 (>99%)

Mawdesley Ann Wigan 8c 55
Occleshaw John Wigan 8c 55



????Possibly Jane's marriage registration to Mr Phillips?????????


Marriages Sep 1863 (>99%)

Maudsley Jane Wigan 8c 89
Mawdsley Jane Wigan 8c 89
Phillips Richard Wigan 8c 89


I note that the transcriber wasn't sure how Jane's name was spelt in the record books!


sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 10 Apr 2009 00:57

There are several possible reasons for the name change. The person giving the information to the enumerator in 1891 could have forgotten that she had remarried Richard Phillips and gave her previous name (or perhaps they couldn't remember her "new" name). But I notice it also says she is married in 1891 and that she is John's mother (not in law).

Mind you, I can't find a suitable death of Richard Phillips, so perhaps he was still alive.....

I think it is likely the same woman though.

Maggie

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 9 Apr 2009 17:24

I agree with Helen, should think Jane Phillips reverted back to Mawdsley by 1891.


Nicky

Researching:
Furniss/Furness in Lancashire,Critchett in Devon and London, Keemish/Camish/ Kemish from Hampshire then Cambridge, Copper and Godden in Kent, Spink/Spynk in Norfolk and Cambridge

Helen

Helen Report 9 Apr 2009 17:08

Could Jane Mawdsley (mother) have reverted back to her first married name for the 1891 census.

Given her age, she looks as if she is definitely the previous ... Jane Phillips.

I've had this happen in my family. Someone reverting back to their maiden name between census.

Kathlyn

Kathlyn Report 9 Apr 2009 16:32

Following on from my previous post, just so I can say that I am not loosing my marbles, would some kind person do a check for me then give me their thoughts???

1881 census
John Occleshaw
1843
Born in Ince
living in Wigan
Wife Ann

In this census Jane Phillips, aged 56 is described as Mother in law, and Jane Mawdsley as Sister in Law. (This is the Jane Mawdsley of my previous thread and she married a William Taylor a few months after the census.)

In the 1891 census for the Occleshaw household, Jane Mawdsley, aged 67 is recorded as Mother in Law. I am almost positive that Jane Phillips did not marry a Mr. Mawdsley, but am concerned and very confused.

I have to go off line now, but any comments that can be made will be very gratefully received.

This Mawdsley family of mine has been nothing but trouble from the word go.

Kathlyn

With a 10 year gap between census, how could the enumerator have called her Jane Mawdsley?