Genealogy Chat

i am doing some research for a friend of mine who doesn't have access to a computer. i have found their family on the 1911 census. The family concerned are living at 100 and 102 church street St Helens Lancashire. the address is that of a pub but it doesnt give the name of the pub . i have tried googling and looking on other census but without any luck .
anyone got any ideas how i can find out the name of the pub. they weren't at the pub in 1901 they were at a different address

thanks linda

1911 census

HUTCHINSON, SAMUEL M HEAD MARRIED M 43 LICENSED VICTUALLER FERMANAGH IRELAND

HUTCHINSON, MARGARET WIFE MARRIED 13 F 33 ASSISTING IN BUSINESS ST HELENS LANC

HUTCHINSON, THOMAS M SON SINGLE M 12 SCHOOL SALFORD LANC

HUTCHINSON, LILLIAN LITTTA DAUGHTER F 11 SCHOOL SEEDLEY LANC

HUTCHINSON, MARGARET DAUGHTER F 8 SCHOOL SALFORD LANC

HUTCHINSON, JANE IVY DAUGHTER F 9 MONTHS ST HELENS LANC

RIPLEY, BERNARD SERVANT SINGLE M 30 BARMAN LANCASTER LANC

NOLAN, AGNES SERVANT SINGLE F 15 DOMESTIC SERVANT ST HELENS LANC

WOODS, ALFRED BOARDER WIDOWER M 48 PAINTER HOUSE ST HELENS LANC

Address 100 AND 102 CHURCH ST ST HELENS LANCASHIRE County Lancashire
District Prescot Subdistrict St Helens
Enumeration District 17 Parish St Helens

I have an ancestor who is listed as a licensed victualler, who just supplied alcohol to the trade, but was not a publican.
Liz

Some public houses were just that - houses! They may have just sold beer from their home address.

Kath. x

they definitely lived in a pub and when samuel died in 1916 his wife married again but kept the license in her name - its just trying to find the name of the pub . family i have asked have come up with 3 different names for the pub !!!
thanks linda

His death cert. should give his home address - ? perhaps the name of the pub
Liz

Why not try phoning any pub in St. Helen's and ask where the Licensed Victualler's Association for the area is? Someone must keep records - even if it's at the local archives.

Kath. x

It could have been a beerhouse with no "name" as such. These were commonplace at the time.

thanks everyone for you help i am going to call the archive section of st helens library and see if they can help me
thanks once again linda

You could try the asking the online parish clerk, here is the link:

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Here are some possibles, which I found on the following site:

http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/sthelenspubs.html

Nags Head, Church St

Fleece Hotel Church St, says closed Church St , 5th Feb 1935

White Lion, Church St, closed 17th Oct 1927

White Hart, Church St

Black Bull, Church St

Van Tromp, Church St, closed 30th Dec 1922

Cuerdley Arms, Church St, demolished Dec 1970

Raven Hotel, Church St

British Lion, Church St, closed 9th March 1931

Ship Inn, Church St, Closed 5th Feb 1934

Looks like Church Street had a lot of pubs!
Good luck,
Krissie