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Charles Hartland born 1835 ish may not be Hannah's son, both she and her husband could have been married before. On the census as her husband is the head of the family relationships given will relate to him. I.e. Edward will be his stepson, and children listed as his sons / daughters could be just his sons / daughters or their sons / daughters.

This could be Edward Jackson in 1841, the Hanna who is listed as head of household could be his grandmother?

Name: Edward Jackson
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: St George
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Hanna Jackson 50
Elizabeth Jackson 27
Aaron Jackson 17
Eliza Jackson 19
John Jackson 23
Edward Jackson 9

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 575; Book: 21; Civil Parish: Manchester; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 43; Folio: 33; Page: 13; Line: 8; GSU roll: 438727.

Helen

ChristineIP seems to have the right household in 1851, even if she somehow managed to delete Ed. I would follow her lead and get Caroline's b.cert - this seems to be the earliest statutory birth rego for this family, so should give Hannah's maiden/former surname which you probably wouldn't find from a baptismal entry down south. It doesn't follow that Charles and Edward are her kids.



There is an LDS submitted entry on the IGI:

EDWARD JACKSON
Christening: 27 DEC 1833 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Father: EDWARD JACKSON
Mother: HANNAH

Unfortunately, there's no baptisms for 1833 for Manchester Cathedral online - guessing this as the most likely church - at
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Manchester/index.html
On the other hand, the IGI's batch C097896 covers Manchester Cathedral 1833, so who knows where this submission came from.

she could well have been widowed and remarried within a very few years. People often seemed to re-marry for security if they had a very young child to rear and v little money.

there seems to be quite a few deleted posts on my thread or is that my comp playing up again??

hi all sorry for slight delay in further reply but my computer started playing up, blue I dont think that could be the Hannah I am looking for as her first Hartland child was born in 1836 a Charles Hartland ( Im assuming either she broke tradition of naming first son after dad James or first legal son died??) I would guess possibly that Edward Jackson was born out of wedlock as I cant imagine her being married divorced and married to James Hartland within that few years. thanks for the ideas so far. it would be interesting to find where they were living around the early 1850s to see where this "nurse child" came from a Maria Squele b 1850??

For ref.

1851 England Census
about Edward Jackson
Name: Edward Jackson
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Grays Inn Lane
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 330
Household Members: Name Age
James Hartland 40 born Hampstead
Hannah Hartland 38 born Dunmow, Essex
Charles Hartland 15 born Hampstead
Caroline Hartland 8 born Pancras
Emma Hartland 6 born Pancras

This birth reg should give you Hannah's maiden name.

June 1842

Hartland Caroline St Pancras 1 335

Christine

Just thought i would say Teresa has a thread on how to search the LDS/IGI on this board

Wendy,
LDS is a site run by the church of the later day saints (Mormons i think)
the IGI is the international genealogical index
Once you get into searching on there,you will find it's not to bad and free!
They don't have everyone's bits and bobs on it,but do have a lot.

Blue

The only Hannah i can see on the IGI is
Hannah Potter
Married to James Hartland

24 JUL 1849 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

this is an extracted record,so is as good as an OPR.But you should be able to find the reg details for this on freebmd as the date is 1849

You will have to check it out for your self though,as you haven't said when they married or where.
Good luck
Blue

not heard of Lds?? am a bit new to all this, will try the other one mentioned tho thanks

Have a try on Lds

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

they do births before 1837,plus the 1881 england census

there are lots of tips on the boards for searching LDS/IGI

Good luck
Blue

oh dear,,so how do people manage to go back further than 1837 than??

Civil registration didn't start till 1837 so birth certs for 1833 don't exist.

I have managed to trace back to g.g. grandparents on my grandmothers side, starting with Wells then Hartlands back to the Macguires, I wanted to find the the maiden name of a Hannah Hartland born 1813 (married a James Hartland born abt 1811) as in the 1851 census they seem to have a stepson called Edward Jackson born abt 1833?? so I wanted to find out if this may have Hannahs maiden name as she surely couldnt have been married,divorced +married again so quick, but when I put her birthdate in to check I keep getting a pop up saying to put in a date from a later time??? hope this makes sense thanks