Genealogy Chat

Many thanks again, Twig,

Blimey, if that's him then he didn't waste any time: his first wife didn't die until 10th October 1918 !

But that would make sense if Florence was born to Ellen Martin before they were married.

However, if she is Florence Ellen (the Ellen being after her mother), born in Hackney, then she was born in 1894, which would explain why Alfred was not with Jane in 1901.

I'll definitely send for that 1927 marriage certificate and hope that it gives her age: there are too many Florence Martins to identify her on Freebmd.

Brian..

Its possible that Florence was the daughter of Alfred's 2nd wife Ellen M Martin.

Marriage reference: Hackney 1b 1036 dec 1918.

Twig..

Hackney Records have confirmed that the informant was Florence URCH.

As there seems to be no plausible Florence Worboys birth listed, it looks as if Florence was illegitimate.

There's a Charles W Urch marriage to Florence E Martin marriage in Hackney in 1927, so I'll have to send for that and hope that it shows Alfred Worboys as Florence's father.

As she was at the same address as Alfred in 1931 it seems more than likely that he was at her wedding and would be identified.

I never heard anything of Florence from my parents so it is quite likely that my father knew nothing of his grandad's philandering.

I emailed Hackney on Sunday but no response yet (it's a local authority so they probably think they are doing well if they reply in ten working days! I used to work for one, so no offence to any LA workers) .

Blowed if I can find Alfred on either 1901 or 1911 censuses, though.

Thanks Margaret, I'll try that.

More muddy water coming up!!

Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
Atkins Florence Ada Hackney 1b 867
Slack Thomas John Hackney 1b 867

Jan

You would need to contact or visit the library which holds the records. If you visit you should be able to search yourself, if not I believe they may make a small charge. All you need is address and year.
Jan

I'm pretty sure it's not Hall, my best effort is Mock or Slack, the last two letters look like CK.
I'm not sure where I can access the electoral roll?

Daughter in law?

Probably muddying the waters here, but anyway:
(I do realise Florence would probably call herself Warboys)

Marriages Jun 1923 (>99%)
Hall Florence L M Warboys Edmonton 3a 1306
Warboys Walter Hall Edmonton 3a 1306

Good tip to check out the address - he would have been a very ripe age so good chance he lived with someone, with luck you will be able to read Florence's name!

Jan

Sorry, I missed out saying that Florence is shown as daughter on Alfred's death certificate.
Have now corrected.

Brian, sorry to seem a bit dim, but I am assuming Florence is down as daughter? If not she could be anybody really.
Jan

Received a death certificate for my great grandfather on Friday which has thrown up a puzzle.

Alfred Worboys was born in Hertford in 1848.
In 1869 he married Jane Gorrod in Shoreditch and they had four sons, Albert in 1872, Harry in 1875, Walter in 1878 and Edward in 1881.
They are all on the 1891 census as a family in Hackney (spelt Warboys)
By 1901 Jane is living as a visitor with what appears to be an unrelated family. She is shown as married. I have not located Alfred on that census.
Jane died in 1918 in Hackney Infirmary, her residential address is at 90 Dynevor Road, Stoke Newington, which is where my father was born.
However, the informant is A Worboys, widower of the deceased of 15 Laurel Street, Dalston.

Alfred died in 1931 at 15 Laurel Street, the informant is Florence ???? (looks like 4 or 5 letters, unreadable), daughter of the same address.

I am at a loss to know where Florence came from.
Was she illegitimate and Alfred and Jane separated before 1901?
Was she a legitimate child who married but was not at home on the 1871/1881/1891 or 1901 censuses?

The 1911 census index shows a Florence born in West Ham in 1878 and a Florence in Hackney in 1886.

Any thoughts/input would be appreciated.