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I've recently been trying to trace my family tree, but keep stalling on my maternal grandfather, Herbert Barber, who was 81 when he died around 1970, and lived in Ashton under Lyne, Lancs. My mum, who is still alive says he was born in Ashton, Her brother who died recently had his certificates, but his wife says she can't find them. I have found his marriage record to Harriett Long of Holmfirth in Oldham, in 1916, but have been stymied in my attempts to find a date of birth, death etc. He was a butcher when my mum was born, and she swears blind that he was always a butcher, and was the son of a butcher, all in Ashton, but the Census doesn't reveal anything in 1901, and I can't get anything after that, and there doesn't seem be any way of getting into another one after this date.
He was pensioned out of the first world war with a blown off foot if that's any help.
This is driving me insane!

On Ancestry

1901 mistranscribed

Name: Herbert Barbur
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Thomas
Mother's Name: Margaret A
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton U Lyne, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Ashton Under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Ashton Under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 66/ 68 stockport road

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Ashton-under-Lyne
Sub-registration district: Ashton Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 145
Household Members: Name Age
William Thomas Barbur 41 beef butcher
Margaret A Barbur 50 Liverpool, Lancashire
Edith Barbur 18
William Albert Barbur 16 ass butcher
Gertrude Barbur 15
Herbert Barbur 14
Harold Johnson 19 servant ass butcher



image reads Barber





1891 and again

Name: Herbert Barker
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William T
Mother's Name: Margaret A
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Ashton Under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Ashton Under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Ashton Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William T Barker 31
Margaret A Barker 40 Liverpool, Lancashire
Edith Barker 8
William A Barker 6
Gertrude Barker 5
Herbert Barker 4



image reads Barber






Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%)
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BARBER William Thomas Barton I. 8c 717

WILLIAMS Margaret Ann Barton upon Irwell 8c 717



June x

Here they are in 1901. Father's occupation Beef Butcher

1901 England Census
about Herbert Barbur
Name: Herbert Barbur
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Thomas
Mother's Name: Margaret A
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton U Lyne, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Ashton Under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Ashton Under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 66-68 Stockport Rd.

Registration district: Ashton-under-Lyne
Sub-registration district: Ashton Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 145
Household Members: Name Age
William Thomas Barbur 41
Margaret A Barbur 50
Edith Barbur 18
William Albert Barbur 16
Gertrude Barbur 15
Herbert Barbur 14
Harold Johnson 19 servant

Christine

Have you tried the Lancashire BMD site, Margaret? It's not completely done yet but he might be on there.

Failing that, you might have to check the images for B surnames quarter by quarter on Ancestry (if you've got a subscription) or FreeBMD in the deaths index around 1970. With a bit of luck, if he did die after 1969 his birthday should be on his death certificate.

Thank you all for your input. You are all fantastic. Now,how do I find out if this Herbert Barber was the same one as the one who married Harriett Long in 1916?
Also how did you get these results?

If you get the 1916 marriage certificate, Margaret, it will give his father's name and occupation. Hopefully you'll be able to match him up with a Herbert on the census that way.

I think the census returns above must be from Ancestry - I think you would need a subscription for that - but the Lancashire BMD site I mentioned is free to search:

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Do you know if he died in Ashton as I can't find one registered in that area 1968-1970

Christine

I have checked1968 /1969 /1970/1971 / no death


Got info off ancestry


June x

found a death in Nelson in Lancashire 1972
vol 10e
page 1448
march qtr

but his birthday is 12th jan



June x

Found one in 1972

HERBERT BARBER 12/01/1886
MAR Q 1972
NELSON
VOL:10E
PG: 1448

Cassy

Maybe his birth year is one year out on death cert. You really need his marriage cert to be sure you have the correct family.

Christine

1911
HOUSEHOLD BARBER WILLIAM FRANCIS M 1861 50 Head butcher
HOUSEHOLD BARBER MARGARET ANN F 1851 60 wife
HOUSEHOLD BARBER EDITH F 1883 28 daughter butcher ?
HOUSEHOLD BARBER GERTRUDE F 1886 25 daughter
HOUSEHOLD BARBER HERBERT M 1887 24 son butcher

1911
HOUSEHOLD BARBER WILLIAM A M 1885 26 Head butcher
HOUSEHOLD BARBER LINIAN F 1886 25 wife
HOUSEHOLD BARBER HERBERT M 1910 1 son

Barbara got the right family right at the start according to my Mum.
I don't seem to be using these websites very well. Could anyone guide me. The ancestry.co.uk one was one of those which I searched initially, but couldn't find anything. Barbara got every thing, and in such good simple detail as well. How did you do it Barbara?
I am now in exactly the same pickle over my Paternal grandmother, an Elizabeth Ann Foster who definitely died in Halifax in 1986 and whose birth was 18/8/1896 in Longsight Manchester. Facts gleaned from her death certificate, but can I find the right family on the census for 1901?, can I heck. What am I doing wrong, and what should I do about it? HELP!!

Hi Margaret ,

The info i found was the same as Barbaras but it was mistranscribed on Ancestry that was why you could not find them.



June x