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I have found a relative on 1841 census but other members of household are on the previous page. Is there a way of viewing adjacent pages without knowing the names of the people on them?
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If you post the details of the family that you're looking for and the area that you found them in then I'm sure that someone will take a look for you.
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For info
I assume you are looking at the census records on GR. if you are you cannot view the next or previous pages.
But as Carolyn said ask GR to send it to you
But if you are on Ancestry, use the arrows at the top of the record.
George
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Thanks for the help, I am searching on GR rather than Ancestry.
I have sent a request to GR via the feedback section and await a reply.
Thanks again.
1841 Census page ref is HO 107 1176/13
Thanks mgnv, that is perfect info, I found what I wanted on FreeCEN. THanks again.
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Lets do a worked example - here the marginal slip shows ho107/143/2 also the image shows pp13-14 and stamped at top right is the Folio#=11
This is the FreeCEN transcription of our family:
Piece: HO107/143/2 Place: Penwith -Cornwall Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Madron Penzance Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 11 Page: 14
Address: Rosevean Road
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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
UREN John M 35 Labourer Cornwall
UREN Betsey F 35 Cornwall
UREN Elizabeth F 10 Cornwall
UREN Grace F 8 Cornwall
UREN John M 6 Cornwall
UREN Simon M 4 Cornwall
UREN Mary F 18m Cornwall
BRAY Phillis F 60 Spinster Cornwall
Page: 11/15 POOLEY Mary F 35 Spinster Cornwall
So our problem now is to locate the page containing Mary Pooley (which Ancestry transcribes as Vooley).
1841 is nice, as there's almost always a folio # showing, and every page is numbered. Now, I know you don't have an Ancestry sub - neither do I, but we can do some searching there. What we search for is the 1841 England census - use the "old style" search, so if "old style" shows up in top right of your search page, click on it. Now, show the advanced search options, and enter (ho107)/143/2/11/14.
You'll see all 25 people on the page. Next, increase the page # and search again - if this gets no hits, also increase the folio #.
Anyways, you get to see all 25 folk on the next page - you can look up any of these on GR to find the page you need (modulo mistranscriptions).
1851-1901 is a bit trickier. I don't know if GR tells you the full ref, and the folio # isn't on every image (although sometimes it shows thru from the back).
An Enumeration District is a chunk of the census assigned to one enumerator. A Piece is a collection of several EDs.
Since every ED book begins at page 1, we need an extra identifier besides the ho/rg=census year, + piece # to uniquely identify a page. They could have used ED, but chose instead to stamp every top right odd (usually) page using an increasing stamper, so now every sheet in the piece has a unique folio #, so combined with the page #, we have a unique identifier.
Lets look for:
Piece: HO107/1918 Place: Penzance -Cornwall Enumeration District: 3b
Civil Parish: Madron Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 446 Page: 18 Schedule: 50
Address: Trereife House
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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
UREN John Head M M 46 Agricultural Labourer Cornwall - Gwinear
UREN John E. Son - M 17 Blacksmith Cornwall - Madron
UREN Mary E. Dau - F 11 Cornwall - Madron
ELLIS John Nephew - M 3 Middlesex - -
There's only one John Uren, s/o John b 1833-1837 in 1851 Ancestry:
View Record John E Uren John abt 1834 location relation city, Cornwall [view image]
Now, without a sub, you can't click on any link here (excl 1881) - if you do, you get an invite to subscribe. If you click on the "view image" link for any year (incl 1881) and look at the URL you're sent to, there's two fragments in the URL:
iid%3dCONHO107_1918_1918-0692 pid%3d17130409
Alternatively hovering over the "view image" link, one sees the same fragments (with an = sign sub'ed for the hex code %rd):
iid=CONHO107_1918_1918-0692 pid=17130409
If you'd bought the image, you'ld know part of the ref - ho107/1918/?/50 - we just want to know the folio #.
If you hadn't bought the image, you find John, then see if he's in piece # 1918 thru 1918 - not a hard choice this time. Next, you clear out all the personal stuff (John Uren s/o John), and search for ho107/1918 with some guessed folio #.
E.g. Folio # 100 has image links showing iid=CONHO107_1917_1918-0617 or -618
so a hunt and peck process gets me folio # =446.
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Unlike you, I'm just interested in building a h/h, not purchasing the images, so I wouldn't try finding the page #. I'ld search ho107/1918/446 for heads of households, and look at their personal ids, hoping they're nicely ordered.
John Uren 1805 (pid=17130408) is a head, the next head is George Uren (pid=17130412) - hardly a coincidence, one feels.
Individuals with pid=17130408-11 give the h/h. A search at:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/Default.asp?j=1
for ref=ho107/1918 gets "Registration District: 311. PENZANCE"
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