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Katherine

Katherine Report 18 Aug 2009 07:50

Thanks again for your help. I'll try and track down the prison records for Matilda (if they exist) and see if there is any mention as to what happened to her baby. Certainly, she did not have it with her in Woking women's prison where she found herself in 1891 and it wasn't with its Grandfather and his wife.

Kate

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 18 Aug 2009 02:01

The only one that can't be accounted for is Herbert. I can't find a death for him or see him on any censuses. Perhaps he was Matilda's son and then adopted?

Rose

Researching:
I am not related to you and I'm not your husband's first wife!

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 18 Aug 2009 00:09

St. James's Walk, Clerkenwell was in the Clerkenwell registration district but this was succeeded by Holborn registration district in 1869.

There are two Rider births in the quarter you mention in Holborn registration district:-

Name: Cornelius Alfred Rider
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Holborn
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 763

and:-

Name: Herbert George Rider
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Holborn
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 714

Kath. x

Katherine

Katherine Report 17 Aug 2009 23:04

I've been advised that I haven't been responding appropriately and that instead of responding directly to the person who posted a response by clicking on their name and sending them a personal message, that I should be thanking and acknowledging people publicly in the thread. So, sorry for that lapse in etiquette and for the irritation and annoyance that this has caused. That was not my intent. I very much value all the responses that I have received.

I am posting this message on all my threads.

Kate

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 15 Aug 2009 09:06

Ethel Rose is with father only in 1901.

Enough to be going on with!

Jan

Researching:
Myatt, Hanks, Eccleston, Powell, Clungunford, Birmingham

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 15 Aug 2009 09:01

For starters:

Births Jun 1884 (>99%)
Ryder Emma Maria Holborn 1b 703
Births Sep 1884 (>99%)
Ryder Ethel Rose M Holborn 1b 792

EDIT it isn't Emma Maria, found her with parents.

What an intersting - if rather sad - piece of family history.

Jan

Researching:
Myatt, Hanks, Eccleston, Powell, Clungunford, Birmingham

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 15 Aug 2009 08:59

I think it was previously Holborn (Clerkenwell was, and that is the area you specify).
Jan

Researching:
Myatt, Hanks, Eccleston, Powell, Clungunford, Birmingham

Katherine

Katherine Report 15 Aug 2009 08:53

My ancestor, Matilda Rider (aka Ann Matilda Ryder) was awaiting trial at the Old Bailey on 25/5/1884 in Her Majesty's Prison, St. James Walk; Clerkenwell London from 26/3/1884. At the beginning of her incarceration, she was 8 months pregnant, and was apparently 'confined' on 8 April 1884 (which presumably is the date she gave birth). Does anyone know what the registration district was for this prison at this time, because I am having trouble locating the birth record for this child. Thank you

Kate