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1881

John JACKSON Head M Male 40 Belper, Derby, England Fish Scaler
Harriet JACKSON Wife M Female 48 Horncastle, Lincoln, England
Henry LILLY Boarder M Male 28 Greetham, Lincoln, England Ag Lab
Harriet LILLY Boarder M Female 28 Greetham, Lincoln, England
Fanny LILLY Boarder Female 10 Greetham, Lincoln, England Scholar
James LILLY Boarder Female 7 Greetham, Lincoln, England Scholar
Arthur LILLY Boarder Male 2 Belper, Derby, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Market Place
Census Place Belper, Derby, England
Family History Library Film 1341816
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3413 / 60
Page Number 4

1881 - connection?

Henry LILLEY Head M Male 21 Measham, Derby, England Coal Miner
Elizabeth LILLEY Wife M Female 19 Birchwood, Derby, England Coal Miner Wife
Mabel LILLEY Daur U Female 1 Birchwood, Derby, England
John TAYLOR Brother In Law U Male 17 Birchwood, Derby, England Coal Miner


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Source Information:
Dwelling Lower Birchwood Muckram
Census Place Alfreton, Derby, England
Family History Library Film 1341817
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3416 / 111
Page Number 12

1891 England Census
Name: Thomas Berry
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Chorley, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Chorley
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Chorley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chorley
Sub-registration district: Chorley
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Berry 37
Elizabeth Berry 33 - Chorley
John Thos Berry 16
Andrew Berry 15
Elizabeth A Berry 13
James T Berry 11
William Berry 9
Richard Berry 7
Fred Berry 3

In 1881 Thomas & Elizabeth have a 5 year old son. I can't find the relationship yet.

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Marriages Sep 1874
Berry Thomas Chorley 8e 667 <<<<<<<<<<<
Mee Alice Chorley 8e 667
Moss James Chorley 8e 667
Wade Ruth Chorley 8e 667
Wain Elizabeth Chorley 8e 667 <<<<<<<<<<

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1901 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Lilly
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: N
Civil parish: Chorley
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: married

Registration district: Chorley
Sub-registration district: Chorley
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Barry 49 [Berry]
Elizabeth Lilly 40
James Berry 21
Richard Berry 16
Fred Berry 13
Maude M Berry 9
Henry Lilly 16
William Lilly 4
Emma Lilly 5 months
Mary Gray 70

Lilley children are nephews & nieces.

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Deaths Jun 1902
Lilley Elizabeth 43 Chorley 8e 330

Henry is recorded as married on 1901.


What do you reckon?

1871 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Bates
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Alfreton, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish: Alfreton
Ecclesiastical parish: Riddings
Town: Somercotes
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Belper
Sub-registration district: Alfreton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 221
Household Members:
Name Age
Deborah Walker 60 - Derby
Joseph Bates 20 - son; coal miner; Alfreton
Elizabeth Bates 9

Thanks ever so much everyone - what wonderful people you all are! So now I know a little more - and I think I can rule out that GGrandma Elizabeth died in London - so I'll just have to keep on looking as to what happened to her - thank you all again, Regards, Brian

Is Henry a widow on the 1901?

This looks like the birth of the one year old daughter on the 1881 census:-

Name: Mabel Lilley
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Belper
County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 591

The birth certificate would confirm Elizabeth's maiden name.

Kath. x

I think this could possibly be Henry and Elizabeth's marriage (it's in the same district as they are living in 1881):-

Name: Henry Lilley
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Belper
County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 913

Spouse is Elizabeth Bates.

Kath. x

Hi, I'm back again, said I was a novice - its my age!. Sorry, in 1901 Henry was not in Chorley - but he had been there in the 1890's because his daughter Mabel married my Grandad John Bibby, but by 1901 census he was back living with his Father in Blackwell - sorry for the error, many tthanks again, Brian

Hi Brian
Just googled it and it means St George's at Hanover Square.
An area of London
Joan

That would be St. Georges church, Hanover Square, Westminster, Middlesex.

Hi everyone, first let me say I'm a real novice at this so if the question is too trivial or daft - let me apologise up front! I'm trying to trace what happened to my GGrandma Elizabeth Lilley (don't even know her maiden name!) On the 1881 census she is shown as married to my GGrandad Henry living at Alfreton, then in 1891 still married but living at Normanton but not shown on 1901, but, Henry shown living in Chorley. Don't know what happened to her but found only 1 possible death record in the 10 year period which is Q1 1893, District St Geo H. Sq. Vol, ln Page, 376 - what is St Geo H. Sq. ? please or has anybody else any idea what may have happened to her, thank you all for reading this, any help very much appreciated, thanks, Brian