Genealogy Chat

My mother was born in 1919 before her parents married. Her birth in 1919 is under her fathers surname and under her mothers surname.
Both registrations have the same ref number

Suppose we talking abt Fred, s/o John Smith & Mary Jones.

He's born 1948 and the initial entry says Fred Jones mmn=Jones.
John Smith doesn't accompany her to the registration for whatever reason. If he had there also be a regular entry for Fred Smith mmn=Jones.

In Apr/May/June 1951, John & Mary go to the rego office, and John acknowledges paternity, and reregisters the birth. I think the 1951 index should contain the two entries for Fred, under the names Smith & Jones, both with mmn=Jones.

Also, so people can find the correct b.rego for Fred, the GRO go back to the 1948 index and add "see J'51" to both 1948 entries - well there isn't one for Fred Smith, so they create one in the footer.

So now I expect to find two entries for Fred in both the 1948 and 1951 index.

If you look at Fred's b.cert (or indeed anyone's) you'll see they're not explicitly called Fred Smith or whatever - they're just called Fred, and the surname is inferred from the parents' names. In this case, Fred could have used Smith, or Jones, or even Fred Smith or Jones. I doubt he'ld pick the last one, but there's quite a few folk chose that option 150 y ago.

Alun,

So, if both registrations are under the mother's maiden surname it doesn't look as if it was to do with parents marrying later and the birth being re-registered with the father's surname .Do you have the birth cert? It looks as if it was a late registration. The birth cert should show the date the birth was registered.

at the correct date, he is registered (1948) but it is handwritten on the document and says (see J51)

then if i look at jun 1951 he is listed again this time typed.

on both occasions he is registered under mothers maiden name

Jonesey

Yes I am aware of the reasons you give - that is why I said "should" and not "would". I just thought that Alun might like to check if the birth was orignally registered at the correct time under the mother's surname.

His birth should orignally have been registered under his mother's name and then re-registered after their marriage. Have you checked for him under that name in the correct year and quarter?

thanks man, your a star, this is my first time looking at this stuff so its a learning experience !

i found my grandparents marriage registration and you are correct they were married after he was born.

yea you are right, I looked at Jun 1951 and the entry is there aswell, only typed this time.

the other entry is Dec 1948 and is handwritten

my dads birthday is december, so for what reason would a person appear twice on different years? a mistake?

I think it is a reference to another entry june 51

I just looked up my dad on the england/wales births register, he is listed there with the correct mother's mainden name, however his entry is hand written at the bottom and where the page number should be it says "see J51" ? What does this mean?

thanks