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my greatgrand father seems to have fallen from out of space,the first time i can find him is on the 1881 england census listed as edward higgins b1843 old radnor,radnorshire.i have his marriage certificate from 1881 when he married a charlotte price,but i can find no trace of him before this.it states on his marriage certificate that he had been married before and was a widower,yet i can find no trace of him.i'm starting to think that he was not born in radnor in1843 can anybody help me!

Does it name a father on the marriage cert or is the space blank

He's listed as being born c1835 in 1901.

Rose

his father was listed on the marriage certificate as william higgins,deceased.i have him on the 1881,1891,1901 census i know he died in 1910.but there does not seem to be a trace of him before 1881.and on every census he has a different date of birth,i cannot find his birth as i don't think he was registered because at that time they did not have to.i am just at a loss of where to look for him.regards bryan

For reference pruposes ..... to help ME get my head around your Edward.

Is this him in 1881??

1881 Census

Name: Edward Higgins
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Old Radnor, Radnorshire, Wales

Civil parish: Dorstone
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England

Street Address: The Llan

Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration district: Hay
Sub-registration district: Hay

Edward Higgins 38



sylvia

I wonder??????????


I have been looking for an Edward born in Old Radnor, and this one popped up. Look at the name of the Head of Household, Uncle of Edward and the others. What if he was born with another surname and adopted his uncle's name??

1851 Census

Name: Edward Powell
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Old Radnor, Radnorshire, Wales

Civil parish: Cascob
Ecclesiastical parish: St David
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Presteigne
Sub-registration district: Brilley

Thomas Higgins 53 b.ca 1798, Dilliye (??sp)< Herefordshire, Ag Lab
Elizabeth Higgins 49 b.ca 1802, Llanvahengell, Radnorshire
Edward Powell 13
George Powell 11 b.ca 1840, Bledfa, Radnorshire, Nephew
Martha Powell 8 b.ca 1843, Bledfa, Niece
Charles Powell 5 b.ca 1846, Bledfa, Nephew
Elizabeth Lloyd 18 b.ca 1833, Llonelo Pengalle, Radnorshire, Servant


The transcribed Llonelo Pengalle is NOT what it says on the image, but I couldn't make out what it might really be!




sylvia

Here's that Thomas and Elizabeth Higgins in 1861 ........ in Wales

1861 Wales Census

Name: Thomas Higgins
Age: 30 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< age on census image is 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 <<<<<<< should be 1801
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Dillin, Herefordshire, England

Civil Parish or Township: Bleddfa
County/Island: Radnorshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Knighton
Sub-registration district: Llanbister

Thomas Higgins 30 <<<< should be 60 Labourer
Elizabeth Higgins 57 b.ca 1804, Llanvihangel, Radnorshire
Charles Powel 15 b.ca 1846, Bleddfa, Radnorshire



No sign of Edward Powell/Higgins yet in 1861.


sylvia

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1841 Wales Census

Name: Elizabeth Higgins
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Female
Where born: Radnorshire, Wales

Civil parish: Bleddfa
Hundred: Cefnllys
County/Island: Radnorshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Knighton
Sub-registration district: Knighton

Thomas Higgins 40 Ag Lab
Elizabeth Higgins 35




Living next door:-

Name: Edward Powell
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Radnorshire, Wales

Civil parish: Bleddfa
Hundred: Cefnllys
County/Island: Radnorshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Knighton
Sub-registration district: Knighton

Edward Powell 30 Shoem (??? means Shoe maker??)
Charlotte Powell 30
Thomas Powell 5
Edward Powell 3
George Powell 1




Possible deaths of Edward and Charlotte??

Knighton is the registration district that includes Bleddfa


Deaths Sep 1848 (>99%)

Powell Charlotte Knighton 26 161


OR

Deaths Sep 1850 (>99%)

POWELL Charlotte Knighton 26 169



Deaths Sep 1847 (>99%)

Powell Edward Morgan Knighton 26 1__





supposition only .............. but might be worth you following the Powells





sylvia

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from the I G I

GEORGE LLOYD POWELL Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 JAN 1840 Bleddfa, Radnor, Wales

Parents:
Father: EDWARD POWELL Family
Mother: CHARLOTTE

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C057611 1813 - 1867 0104459 Film 0883870 Film



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Unfortunately, a submitted record, so unknown how accurate it is


EDWARD POWEL Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: CHARLOTTE LLOYD Family
Marriage: 19 MAY 1834 Llanfihangel Rhydithon, Radnor, Wales

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Messages:
Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number.

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Source Information:
Batch Number: 7210301
Sheet: 94
Source Call No.: 0820301 Type: Film




sylvia

may be

Births Mar 1843 (>99%)
Powell Edward Hay 26 318 Scan available - click to view

Deaths Mar 1843 (>99%)
POWELL William Hay 26 274 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Jun 1843 (>99%)
POWELL William Hay 26 248 Scan available - click to view
POWELL William Builth 26 225 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Jun 1845 (>99%)
POWELL William Builth 26 207 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Sep 1845 (92%)
POWELL William Hay 26 207 Scan available - click to view

My gt grandfather disappeared before the 1871. I looked for his marriage and found one with the correct wife.

He married with a double barrelled name.It was the middle name he later adopted after marriage
Went to the 1861 census back and found him with the correct father and occupation with the surname the same as the second name he married with.
With help from another relative also puzzled over the name change we worked out gt grandfathers grandparents never married . So his father had his mothers surname who he passed on to the son my gt grandfather.

To confirm it all after realising what had happened I found my grandmothers first marriage which had alluded me She married with the double name even though her birth is registered with a single name. At least it confirmed our findings..

thank you all so much for your help,i think you are on the right path here i just needed another pair of eyes to make sense of it all.i have just spoken to a relative of mine and they were told that william had a brother they fell out and he changed his surname to higgins.don't know how much of that is true but it is worth following up on.thank you so much,regards bryan.