Genealogy Chat

Stefano is the Italian version of Stephen. James was probably Giancomo.


I have an Ettiene who became Stephen shortly after arriving from France.

thanks for all your information,i'm getting more and more confused... cecila married the mullen guy,think i'll send off for isabella's death certificate next as i have james death certificate and person present at death was a cecila mullen so we have a right one there but!! and a big but is the marriage certificate i have of james pochi and isabella coughlan it has his dad's name as stephen???but to me this is'nt a very italian sounding name.....i thought it would'nt be so hard with it being a unusual surname but noe so!!!aaaaaaarrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhh!! :-(

Lawrence isn't a new name. He is on the 1881 census as Cecelia's brother.

Kath. x

?????? Isabella's death registration???


Deaths Mar 1886 (>99%)

Poche Isabella 50 Manchester 8d 169



??? James death registration

Deaths Mar 1890 (>99%)

Poche James 57 Manchester 8d 200




??? Cecilia's marriage registration? BUT which one did she marry?

Marriages Dec 1885 (>99%)

Houliston Andrew Townley Manchester 8d 434
Howliston Andrew Townley Manchester 8d 434
Mackley Annie Manchester 8d 434
Mullen Edward Manchester 8d 434
POCHE Cecilia Manchester 8d 434
Pochin Cecilia Manchester 8d 434


from lancashire bmds

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1885

POCHE Cecilia MULLEN Edward Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester MCR_RM/112/128


1891 Census

Name: Celia Mullen
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edward
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats

Edward Mullen 27
Celia Mullen 26
Edward Mullen 3
Celia Mullen 1 6/12
Edward Mullen 68
Lawrance Poche 18 Wife's Brother (ie, Brother-in-law)
Levenia Elton 18



I have no idea whether Poche is the same as Pochi ....... but the names of these people match, and ages seem to be correct! Lawrence is a new name!




sylvia

to answer another question



a Hawker is someone who went round the streets selling stuff ..... from baskets, carts, bicycles etc.


and most of what they sold would be flowers, fruit, secondhand stuff etc.




sylvia

The name on the image of the 1881 looks more like Potshi


which could be what the Manchester enumerator thought he heard the Italian James say



try saying Pochi with an italian accent!!



James by 1881 is a naturalized British subject.



and both he and Isabella are Licensed Brokers, whicle Cecilia is a Machinist (Shirts)





sylvia

I wonder if this is James Pochi and Isabella's marriage registration?


Marriages Jun 1861 (>99%)

Coughlan Isabella Manchester 8d 151
Coughlin Isobella Manchester 8d 151
Pochi James Manchester 8d 151



The transcriber obviously had diffciulty with the spelling of her name!!



sylvia

thanks that probably the explanation on the different spellings....i think i have there marriage certificate but not quite sure now....it does have them just putting a x mark next to the signature..but the cofusing thing about that is it looks like he's down as a hawker?whatever that is.....it does'nt have his place of birth so not quite sure its the right people...thanks for all your information nicola.

Not many people could read and write in those days, so it depended on how the person writing the name down thought it should be spelt by the way it was said. If the people giving the name couldn't read then they couldn't check that the name had been spelt wrongly. That's why a lot of names change slightly over the years.

Kath. x

i wonder why so many different spellings???wish i had'nt started this as i don't seem to be getting anywhere with it,i have james death certificate and he died in 43 little lever street in 1890 he was down as a master tailor.......

I think James's age on the 1871 census could be 35.

Kath. x

On Ancestry this is the family living at that address in 1881:-

Name: James Potolie
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: (Naturalized British Subject), Italy
Civil parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 43 Little Lever St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Licensed Broker
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Market Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age

James Potolie 45, head
Isabella Potolie 44, wife, born Ireland
Ceclia Potolie 16, daughter, born Manchester
Lawrance Potolie 8, son, born Manchester

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3993; Folio: 76; Page: 30; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341953.

Kath. x

1871 just for info

Name: James Pochr
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Italy
Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 284
Household Members: Name Age
James Pochr 55
Isabella Pochr 35
Cecilia Pochr 6

Occupation of Tailor

I think the age could be 33 or 35

Had another look and I think 35

yeah i looked at both images,just so confused...

Have you actually looked at the images to check ages

HELP!!!! I HAVE FOUND SOME RELATIVES ON THE 1881 CENSUS DOWN AS
JAMES POTOLIE AGE 45 YEAR BORN 1836 BORN ITALY
ISABELLA POTOLIE AGE 44 ""1837 BORN IRELAND
CECILIA POTOLIE AGE 16 ...1865 BORN MANCHESTER
LAWRENCE POTOLIE AGE 8...1873 BORN MANCHESTER THEN I FOUND ON THE 1871 CENSUS
JAMES POCHI AGE55 BORN 1816 ITALY
POCHI ISABELLA AGE35 BORN 1836 BORN IRELAND
POCHI CECILIA AGE 6 BORN1865 BORN LANCS

BOTH LIVED AT 43 LITTLE LEVER STREET MANCHESTER....TOTALLY AND UTTERLY CONFUSED!!!!!