Genealogy Chat

Hi Karen

I went back to the Archive this afternoon for one last trawl through the parish records. I was starting to think your lot had been making up the fact that they were born in Jersey. Anyway, I found this little clutch of St Brelade baptisms.

BOTTAM
21/2/1830 William Edwin, son of Robert Bottam and Mary, born 2/2/1830

8/1/1832 Mary Ann, parents as above, born 20/12/1831

15/9/1833 Frederick Daniel, parents as above, born 23/8/1833
Burial 27/6/1836, aged 2 years and 10 months

30/8/1835 Benjamin James, parents as above, born 9/8/1835

So this is the family found in St Helier in 1841 but with Mary aged 10 not being born as stated in England but in Jersey, I thought it odd that the 2 boys were born in Jersey and the middle child was born in England.

Name Age
Robert Bottomley 45
William Bottomley 12
Benjamin Bottomley 6
Mary Bottomley 10

I would suspect that Mary Ann, who married Henry Brown and Benjamin were brother and sister.
Have you got Benjamin's marriage certificate to confirm the name of his father as Robert?

I have the reference for Mary Ann's marriage to Henry so I'll go and check that iin the next few days and fingers crossed her father's name will be Robert

Pam

It'll be interesting to see what you find.

Ozi.

I'd suggest Karen waits until the Archive opens again on Tues - no point in paying for something I'll check out for nothing.

I pm'd Karen with the baptism of Emily Brown which gives the mmn as Bottomley but should be able to find out more from the records, although if they decided to change their name to Botham I don't think I'll be able to throw much light there.

Thanked by pm, but there's still confusion over the names, understandably. "Karen" has found a Jersey website that charges to sort these types of things out, and wants to know if this is a good investment.

Anybody able to help with that question?

Meanwhile she's waiting to see if jerseylily can shed some light.

Ozi.

1871 England Census
Name: Emily M Brown
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helens, Surrey, England [St Helier, Jersey]
Civil parish: Bromley St Leonard
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 49 Fern St

Occupation: Domestic servant

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 187
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Brown 41 - Labourer in Metal Refinery; St Helier, Jersey
Mary Ann Brown 39 - St Helier, Jersey
William Brown 19 - Labourer in chemical Works; St Helier, Jersey
Emily M Brown 17
Louisa Ann Brown 15 - Domestic Servant; Limehouse, Middx
Helen J Brown 11 - Scholar; Poplar, Middx
Eliza Brown 9 - Scholar; Poplar, Middx
Harriett Brown 4 - Scholar; Limehouse, Middx
Edward Brown 7 months - Limehouse, Middx


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1851 Channel Islands Census
Name: Henry Brown
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil Parish or Township: St Helier
Town: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street Address: 5 Phillip Street

Occupation:

Registration district: Jersey
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 80
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Brown 21 - Baker; St Helier
Mary A Brown 19
Henry B Brown 5 Mo

1841 Channel Islands Census
Name: Benjamin Bottomley
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Male
Where born: Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil parish: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street Address: St Saviours Road
Occupation:
Registration district: Jersey
Sub-registration district: Jersey
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Bottomley 45 - Black Smith; born England
William Bottomley 12 - born Jersey
Benjamin Bottomley 6 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Mary Bottomley 10 - born England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ann Downing 50 - independent; born Jersey

I think it's a very good chance that they changed their name from Bottomley to Botham.

Here's Emily for reference.
1861 England Census
Name: Emily M Brown
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil parish: Bedminster
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: N K [???? did the forms get muddled?]

Occupation: scholar

Registration district: Bedminster
Sub-registration district: Bedminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Brown 31 - Water color Maker; St Helier, Jersey
Mary A Brown 29 - St Brelades, Jersey
William Brown 9 - St Helier, Jersey
Emily M Brown 7
Louisa A Brown 4 - Isle of Dogs, Poplar
Ellen Jane Brown 1 - New Town, Poplar
Henry Alex Annin 27 - lodger; married; gardener; Leyton, Essex [I think the surname on the image is Unwin]

A lot of the above [1861] is mistranscribed or not transcribed at all. I've typed from the image.

1881 England Census
Name: Benjamin Rotham
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Anne M.
Gender: Male
Where born: Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 70 Swanscombe St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Carpenter
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 14a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Rotham 45
Anne M. Rotham 42
Frederick Rotham 18
William Rotham 15
Ruben Rotham 12
Charlotte Rotham 10
Ellen J. Rotham 8 - Limehouse, Middlesex

Births Sep 1872
Botham Ellen Jane Stepney 1c 486
Stepney is reg'n district for Limehouse.

1871 England Census
Name: Ann M Botham
[Ann M Hitchock]
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Poplar
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 5 Sussex Place
Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Household schedule number: 291
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Hitchock 66 - bootmaker; Bucks
Ann M Botham 32 - daughter
Emily Botham 12 - granddaughter; Poplar
Frederick Botham 8 - Bromley
Charlotte Botham 10 months - Poplar
Reuben Botham 2 - Kentish Town

The last 3 are recorded as Joseph's sons & daughter, & as you can see Reuben is out of order, so I think the enumerator got a bit muddled.

Births Jun 1862
BOTHAM Frederick Benjamin Poplar 1c 682

Births Jun 1870
Botham Charlotte Elizabeth Poplar 1c 664

1891 England Census
Name: Benjamin J Botham
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Mians
Gender: Male
Where born: Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 56 Randolph

Occupation: Carpenter

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin J Botham 55
Ann Mians Botham 51 - Stony Stratford, Bucks
Ruben Botham 22 - son; Pattern Maker; born Poplar, Middx


Marriages Mar 1858
BOTHAM Benjn James Poplar 1c 791
BOTHAM Benjamin James Poplar 1c 791 <<<<<<<
GAYMER James Poplar 1c 791
Hitchcock Ann Maria Poplar 1c 791 <<<<<<<
Philliss Sarah Ann Poplar 1c 791
Tillam Mary Ann Poplar 1c 791

Births Jun 1868
BOTHAM Reuben Poplar 1c 716

1861 England Census
Name: Benjamin Botham
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann M
Gender: Male
Where born: Bulads, Jersey, Channel Islands [Brelade]
Civil parish: Poplar All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Church Street, Manchester Road

Occupation: Ships carpenter

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 156
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Botham 25
Ann M Botham 22 - Stony Stratford, Bucks
Emily Botham 2 - Poplar, Middx

Births Sep 1858
Bottam Emily Ann Poplar 1c 568

Hello Jerseylily
When you check the Jersey census/archives for Mary Ann Botham/Bottomley, could you please check for a Benjamin Botham b. 1836 Brelade.
We have a worrying suspicion that the descendants of Mary Ann Botham may have married the descendants of Benjamin Botham
Thanking you kindly
Karen

Thank you for all your help!

I would be grateful Lily if you could do that for me.
Look forward to your postings xxx

I'll have a look for you next week when the Jersey Archive is open

http://user.itl.net/~glen/jersey.html

If the couple married in Jersey then it is not included in English BMD's indexes

Please please help???

I am having trouble with my research.

There seems to be some confusion over my ancestors, my great-grandmother's mother.

Previous research has given her as having two names and I cannot seem to find out which one is the correct one, CAN ANYBODY HELP?

Here are the details that I have Emily Brown (my great-grandmother) born 1854 St. Helier, Jersey. Her father was Henry Brown born 1829 St. Helier, Jersey now comes the confusing bit...
Mother: Mary Ann Botham or Bottomley born 1831 St. Brelades, Jersey.
How can I find out which surname is correct???
I am totally lost!

I've checked the census'

I can't even seem to find a marriage!

PLEASE PLEASE HELP!!!