Genealogy Chat

i would like to thank everyone again for trying to help me there is some more info that i can tell you my grandfather d.o.b , is 01.01.1895 he married my gran bella/isabella gallagher on the 14 august 1915 at st Muras church Frank died in scotland on the 29th of november 1971. I know this because he lived with us when he died

my grandfather married my grandmother in august 1915 her name was bella/ isabella gallacher they lived there married life in a house called glengollen that is where my mother and her brothers and sisters lived i'm sure my grandmother was married in st mura's church

Just had a look at 1911 census for Donegal after putting up B/M/D and saw this.
Living at house Number 10, Lisfannan (Fahan) Donegal.
Philip Doherty (Head) aged 57 years Farmer Single County Donegal.
Ellen Doherty sister aged 67 years helper Single County Donegal
Catherine Doherty (adopted) age 27 years Single City of Derry.
Living next door to Sarah, Mary and Francis Doherty.
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Legal adoptions did not come in here in Ireland until the 1940s.
Lily.

Hi possible????????? maybe not.
On the pilot site
Death Francis Doherty Londonderry(also called Derry) July-Sept 1895 Volumn 2 Page 126 (age 25 years est, birth 1870)
Marraige Francis Doherty Inishowen (Donegal) Apr-june 1894.Volumn 2 Page 111.
There are a few births for a Francis Doherty born 1894--1896.Two in Inishowen Donegal one in Londonderry.
Francis Doherty July-Sept 1894 Londonderry Volumn 2 page 154.
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Francis Doherty Apr----June 1894 Inishowen (donegal-Derry) Volumn 2 Page 123
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Francis Doherty Jan--Mar 1896 Inishowen (Donegal-Derry) Volumn 2 page 118.
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Lily.

thankyou all very much for your input rose this is my grandfather but i don't know how to get any other information either on my grandfather or on sarah or mary any more ideas thankyou again

This must be Jean's grandfather on the Irish 1911 census:

Residents of house number 9 in Lisfannan (Fahan, Donegal)
Surname Forename Age Sex Where Born
Doherty Sarah 63 Female Donegal
Doherty Mary 73 Female Donegal
Doherty Francis 16 Male Derry

Rose

The 1901 census is on Ancestry. If you haven't got a subscription, put his details, and the spinsters, on here. Somebody will check for you.

Ozi

I have actually seen censuses where children of the family have been described with occupation as Household Servant ........ it's usually been a daughter, but occasionally a son.

AND most of those have been on farms .......... OH's family in Westmoreland and Yorkshire had several familes who did this. BUT they did tend to put Dau in the relationship column

Maybe the fact that he was a foundling accounts for it ..... he would be of working age, so they put him to work.



sylvia

is there any way of finding this out were can i get the 1901 census to see if he is on it with them

on the census it said servant in the relations part and farm hand on the occuption part

If he was a foundling, literally found abandoned as a baby, then perhaps the spinsters gave him their surname.

Also is 'servant' the relationship, or his occupation? If it's his occupation he may not be a servant to the spinsters but working elsewhere.

Ozi

thankyou all for responding to my thead They classed my grandather as a servant on the 1911 census we were told he was a foundling his date of birth on his death cert is 1/1/1895 they are no parent mentioned on this I have the orignal cert as he lived with us in the last years of his life I also have the marriage cert we were told that he was brought up by the spinisters. His birth place on the census is derry His name was Francis Doherty The spinisters surname name was also Doherty so were there neighbours

Perhaps he was a fosterchild.

His name and year of birth?....Country and County would help too?

well, they filled yout the census themselves, so they described him as they thought of him ............... but as that does not show on here, then we're all in the dark!!


Woudl you like to qualify what he was classed as on the 1911.

Have you found him on the 1901 to see what the situation was then?



sylvia

Have you seen the full transcription or image? What do they describe him as?

Were you told these two sisters were related to him?

Ozi

he was age16 which is right living with 2 spinsters which again is what we were told when we where young we were told he was brought up with these to sister from being an newborn why would they not class him as family