Genealogy Chat

Hi,

I would like to thank everyone for their various suggestions and pieces of info. Mummybear's suggestion re a Phllis Margaret being born to an Emily Wise makes a lot of sense.
My mother adored her father(?), but had a terribly difficult relationship with her mother(?); and, knowing the way life often goes, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Emily were her real mother.
My mother's version was that Emily was her stepmother, and Sylvio her real father; at other times she used to say that she was just a b......! I know her 'mother' put her into a convent for some years, a convent near Reading, until she was old enough to be sent to work. I have often wondered that if she were fully adopted, maybe her origin was from that convent. Why else would two people based in London know of it?
Maybe I can find an address from the marriage certificate of Sylvio and Emily?
Thanks again everyone,
Maggie

Hi

If your after the Trinchero family details, there is someone on ancestry they have SylvioTrinchero died 1965, Emily 1934, the only child to them is your Mother.

Sorry just realized this is your public tree.

Margaret

Trinchero on the 1911 there's only 1 and its not Sylvio - send me your email via PM and I'll send you the image if you'd like.

You mentioned Emily's mmn was wise.
Have you seen this birth entry

Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
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Wise Phyllis M Wise Islington 1b 219

May be Phyllis was Emily's daughter but they told her a different story.

Marriages Mar 1923 (>99%)
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Trinchero Silvio C Wise Hammersmith 1a 450
Wise Emily L Trinchero Hammersmith 1a 450


Deaths Sep 1934 (>99%)
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Trinchero Elsie L 40 Hammersmith 1a 217


I'd request the birth certificate and see if the date of brith matches and the details on what you know about Emily/Elsie
Good luck
MB

Hi Janet

I too have been able to help quite a lot of adoptee's with their searches :O) , the problem you have here is you cannot be sure that Phyllis Margaret is her birth name and not her name given by here adoptive parents.

As the adoptee herself was born in 1917 there may be no formal records, it may have been arranged by family friends, or doctor etc.
Without confirmation of her birth details it becomes difficult to work backwards to try and trace the birth family :O(

Has no one in the family any info to go ?

Unfortunately she might have been registered in the fourth quarter. Sounds likely that her first names won't have been changed though.

Than you Janet,
I shall take your advice in respect on the 1917 autumn quarter.
I can proabably find out where they were living during the 1911 census, which may have been the same address when they adopted my mother.
The adopive mother was, I believe, a Wise. My mother called her her step-mother, which doesn't sit with adoption. Anyway, she died when my mother was seventeen and her adoptive father had remarried and started another family within a year. His new wife didn't want anything to do with my mother, so her and her father had to meet in secret. This tailed off after the war and all contact was lost until my mother had a 'feeling', and tried to track him down. She found him on his deathbed.
I do not have a full membership with Genes. so will have to wait until Tuesday when I can access my friend's Ancestry account.

Regards,
Maggie

And never give up. I helped a friend earlier this year find her Mothers birth parents. (her mother was born 1918) and the probable reason for her adoption.

Providing her birth names were Phyllis Margaret ? It may be possible to find her birth registration. in the September quarter of 1917 there were 401 Phyllis M' s registered on ancestry. Do you know how old she was when adopted? Do you know where the Trinchero's lived. Did the Trinchero's have any children of their own?

All these answers could help in narrowing down your mum's birth record. I'll be going out soon but if you want to message me please feel free. I'm not working tomorrow!

Hi

Formal adoptions did not begin till 1927, without her orig birth name I think it would be virtually possible to try and see if you could find her birth name.

I recently posted a brief request for guidance on finding details (if possible) on my mother's adoption. She was born on 26th August, 1917. Her adoptive parents were Emily? and Sylvio Trinchero. I put these details up again as I have been ill and unable to check any replies until now; yet I see quite a few were put up that have now been deleted. If anyone can help I would appreciate any kind of aid.
Thank you,
Maggie
P.S. My mother's name was Phyllis Margaret Trinchero.