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I have a copy of my grandfathers birth certificate and birth registered 3rd quarter 1890 Arthur Thomas Goodman. Father Thomas Frederick and mother Alma, Address at birth 30,Swan Place Sub district of Kent Road county of London. My problem is I cant find him in the 1891 and 1901 census returns but not sure why.....maybe they moved or more likely that I'm so befuddled that Ive missed them. PLEASE can anyone help.

1891

Name: Arthur Goodman
Age: 3 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Alma
Gender: Male
Where born: Newington, London, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anns
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: EDIT looks like 108 Alderminster Road, Bermondsey

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Goodman 29 EDIT occupation biscuit baker
Alma Goodman 28
Mary Goodman 8
Edwin Goodman 2
Arthur Goodman 3 months

EDIT all born Newington apart from Alma, its pretty tricky to read where she was born but looks like St something, maybe ending ylls?

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 378; Folio 128; Page 2; GSU roll: 6095488.




1901

Name: Arthur Goodman
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Alma
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark, London, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: EDIT 21 Carlton Street, West Ham

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Plaistow
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Goodman 39 EDIT occupation biscuit machine minder
Alma Goodman 38
Mary Goodman 18 EDIT occupation match maker
Edgar Goodman 12
Arthur Goodman 10
George Goodman 8
Ellen Goodman 5
Harriet Goodman 3
Emily Goodman 1

EDIT places of birth on this census Thomas, Alma and Mary all in Newington, Edgar, Arthur, George, Ellen all Southwark and Harriet and Emily both Bromley by Bow


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1576; Folio: 41; Page: 4.



will look up addresses and add in a minute

I found them first time by putting in Arthur Goodman and year of birth so not sure why you couldn't find them unless you were doing an address search

How about this?

1901 England Census

Name: Alma Goodman
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Newington, London, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Essex

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Plaistow

Thomas Goodman 39
Alma Goodman 38
Mary Goodman 18
Edgar Goodman 12
Arthur Goodman 10
George Goodman 8
Ellen Goodman 5
Harriet Goodman 3
Emily Goodman 1

Jan

He's on the 1891 census as Arthur, no second name, 3 months old.
A problem that a lot of people have is entering too much information, just use first names.

OMG Thank you SOOOOOO much, Thats wonderful and I'm very grateful. Perhaps you could also point me in the right direction to finding out more about his mother Alma nee Archer, would I be best to begin by looking up her birth and then get her parents names

Marriage:

Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)
ARCHER Alma Julia St Saviour 1d 78
Glenon Matilda St. Saviour 1d 78
Goodman Thomas Frederick St Saviour 1d 78
HILL William St. Saviour 1d 78

Jan

Can't see her birth on freebmd as yet, but this might be her:

1871 England Census

Name: Alma Archer
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England
Civil parish: St George The Martyr Southwark
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Kent Road

Thomas Archer 47
Margaret Archer 45
Catherine Archer 16
Rosetta Archer 12
Alma Archer 7
Thomas Archer 6
John Callan 70

Jan

1871 census...........her marriage cert will confirm father's details

Name: Alma Archer
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England
Civil parish: St George The Martyr Southwark
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 280
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Archer 47
Margaret Archer 45
Catherine Archer 16
Rosetta Archer 12
Alma Archer 7
Thomas Archer 6
John Callan 70


You should be able to find her yourself on the FREE 1881 - www.familysearch.org

1861

Name: Rosetta Archer
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: St Georges, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: Trinity Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 238
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Archer 38
Margaret Archer 34
Harriet Archer 12
Clara Archer 10
Kate Archer 6
Rosetta Archer 1

Hi Jan It could be her but I have no clues whatsoever to her family which is a great pity. I must say its a lot easier when you have SOME clues to go on.

Here is the marriage:
All Saints Church in the Parish of Newington in the County of Surrey

2nd June 1884
Thomas Frederick Goodman 22 Bachelor Baker 11 Mason Street (father) George Goodman (deceased) Cooper
Alma Julia Archer 21 Spinster 6 Aylesbury Street (father) Thomas Archer (deceased) House Decorator
Married after Banns; both signed Witnesses (signed) Thomas Archer Susan Eakins.

From the IGI

Alma Julia Archer
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Thomas Archer


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Marriages:
Spouse: Thomas Frederick Goodman


Father: George Goodman


Marriage: 02 JUN 1884 All Saints,Newington Parish, , Surrey, England

I found these but not your grandfather:

Name: George Frizell Goodman
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 5 Nov 1884
Father's Name: Thomas Frederick Goodman
Mother's Name: Alma Goodman
Parish: Saint Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Name: Edgar Goodman
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 10 Apr 1889
Father's Name: Thomas Frederick Goodman
Mother's Name: Alma Goodman
Parish: Saint Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Name: Ellen Margaret Goodman
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 20 Sep 1895
Father's Name: Thomas Frederick Goodman
Mother's Name: Alma Goodman
Parish: Saint John The Evangelist, Walworth
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Name: Emily Jane Goodman
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 17 Jan 1900
Father's Name: Thomas Goodman
Mother's Name: Alma Goodman
Parish: Saint Michael And All Angels, Bromley
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

Name: Harriet Sarah Goodman
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 May 1900
Father's Name: Thomas Goodman
Mother's Name: Alma Goodman
Parish: Saint Michael And All Angels, Bromley
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

i'm SO thrilled because my mum told me....over 50 years ago that her grandmother was Alma Frizell and there were some connections with France. Until I read this afternoon of George Frizell Goodman (thanks to you birdinanest) I had never heard it mentioned again. now I'm fascinated ass to where the name Frizell came from and its connections with my family. S thank you x

It seems that Alma Goodman's middle name was Julia, so not sure how my mum got her info....maybe she just heard it wrong, or perhaps there was a link somewhere???

I'm glad you're happy, Carol. Isn't it a wonderful feeling when it all begins to come together?

Frizell must have been someone's name in the family. Something else to hunt for; lovely!