Genealogy Chat

Good luck with the certs!
In the meantime,this progression caught my eye:
1851 Ancestry
Name: Rose Norbury
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Philip
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Norbury 45
Rose Norbury 11
Richard Norbury 6
George Norbury 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2055; Folio: 285; Page: 11

1861 Ancestry
Name: Richard Spinks
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Occupation:Electro plater

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 11

Household schedule number: 76
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Spinks 15
James Rothe 4 nephew
Martha Esson 21
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2135; Folio: 133; Page: 13

Is that James ROTHE one of Rose's children???

Maureen

Oooh, hello! What's this then?
It looks promising, but I've got to sit and think about it for a bit....
I'v eonly got George, John and Elizabeth as the children of Roseanna Norberry Edith Spinks and George Roath. I can't think what to look for until I get the marriage cert of Roseanna and George which will be posted on Nov 3rd.
Thanks so much, Maureen! i'm thinking - honest.
cheers
Jill

I've got James Roath age 15 on the 1871 census
son of John and Dessy Roath.
I have never looked up Rothe - I wonder why?
Jill

John ROATH,not George??? (as Roseanna's husband)
That looks like the same family in 1861 and 1871-just minus James in 1861 and maybe a new wife..
I need to lie down.

Maureen

EDIT: Deaths Dec 1869
Roath Rosannah 29 Birmingham 6d 67

Possible sister
MARY ANN SPINKS
Birth: 13 JAN 1842
Christening: 08 AUG 1842 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England

Father: STEPHEN SPINKS
Mother: ELIZABETH

Deaths Jun 1845
SPINKS Stephen Birmingham 16 2[42]7

If Stephen died, did Elizabeth remarry? Maybe a Mr Norberry?

I'm having trouble taking all this in! Thanks everyone for letting me confuse you.
Now then.... this is what I KNOW
John Roath b 1841 m Roseanna Norberry Edith Spinks Aug 1857
their son is
George Frederick Roath b 1857 (b cert) m. Alice Inwood 1882 (m cert)
his son is Bertram (Bertie) Roath b 1886 my granddad - I knew and loved him well.

The John Roath married to Dessey on the 1871 census is a red herring. He is not my proven relation but sprang to my attention because MY George and Alice called their daughter Dessey.

I am working from the top info and waiting for Rosanna and John's m cert.
HOWEVER I do believe there is ANOTHER George Frederick Roath born in North Wales.
Sigh.....
Thanks a lot everyone
cheers,
Jill

I'll leave you in peace "til the certs arrive,but just wanted to say that I think you'll find that your John ROATH married 3 times-first to Rose* who dies in 1869,then Dessey Sargent in 1870(she dies as Dessy ROATH) and then to Harriet Oakley in 1877.
Following them on the census isn't too bad as he always seems to turn up as a "burnisher" of some sort.

Good luck!!!

Maureen

I am totally gob smacked Maureen!!!
Who would ever have thought it?
I've got to look at it spread out - or is it me that is spread out?
I think my head hurts, but in a nice way.
Thanks a heap!
Another giant leap for my kind...
I really can't wait for the cert now
cheers
Jill

Just a quick thought before I go:
There is a story in the Roath family of one of them being involved in a murder...........
hm
cheers
Jill

Waiting to see the results of this interesting story

Family stories are so obscure. I have one from my husbands family where a child was stolen but nobody knows who or when

I'll elaborate a little more some other time as I have to go out now.
cheers,
Jill

IT'S COME!! I was very excited to get the marriage cert of Rosannah and John Roath today. I have been trying to get my ind straight and sort it out with the help you have all given me already and what I know. Here it is:
ROSEHANNAH NORBERRY EDITH SPINKS

birth 1839 Rosehannah SPINKS Aston 16 173

1841 census in Suffolk St B’ham
Stephen SPINKS 50
Elizabeth SPINKS 50
Rosanna SPINKS 2

Birth 13th Jan 1842 Mary Ann SPINKS ch 13th Aug 1842 St Martin, Birmingham

Death Jun 1845 Stephen SPINKS Birmingham 16 2(42)7

1851census Elizabeth NORBURY 45
Rose NORBURY 11
Richard NORBURY 6
George NORBURY 1

M August 10th 1857(cert)
John ROATH 20 Batchelor. Burnisher. Grosvenor St West
f: James ROATH Wire Drawer
Rosannah Norberry Edith SPINKS spinster- Hill St
f: Stephen SPINKS Labourer
Witnesses: William JOHNSON
Elizabeth SPINKS
Birth 17th Nov 1857 George Frederick ROAF
parents George and Rosanna ROAF formerly NORBURY

1861 census
John ROATH 22
Roseana ROATH 20
George ROATH 3
John ROATH 12 mths
Elizabeth ROATH 3 mths

1861 census
Richard SPINKS 15 Head
James ROTHE 4 Nephew
Martha Esson 21

Death 1869
Rosannah ROATH 29 Birmingham 6d 67

M 1870 John ROATH to Dessey SARGENT (who dies as Dessy ROATH)

M 1877 John ROATH to Harriet OAKLEY

I think I have a lot of thinking to do! Two things I should do - send for Rosannah's birth cert and do a mini one name study of all the ROATH family (my grandad's line)
What do you think?
cheers,
one very excited bunny, Jill

Hurrah,Jill!!! It looks good!
I like the fact that the Norb*ry gang were living in Hill Street in 1851 and that's where Ros* says she was living on the marriage cert.

Just wish we could figure out where the Norbury name fits in.

I'll scream if you don't order Rose's birth cert.....
Best,
Maureen

OK, OK, OK Maureen - I'll order it tomorrow!
Interesting that Hill ST is very near to Suffold ST where the family lived later - I think so - or it could have been the Roaths.
I'm still looking for the Norberry marriage of Elizabeth after Stephen Spinks died in 1845
cheers
Jill

LOL! Jill,you'll have to win Lotto if this keeps up.

Maureen

So she was still called Elizabeth Spinks in 1857 as a witness at her daughter's marriage. I wonder if she ever did marry Norbury?

Could Elizabeth's maiden name be Norbury?

Well, it's solid SPINKS on the marriage cert! BUT -
It doesn't say that Rosennah's father, Stephen Spinks, was deceased when she got married in 1857 so was that really THE Stephen Spinks who died in 1845?
It looks as if the Spinks children all took the name of Norbury on the 1851 census, and then reverted to their birth name when they were older.
Richard Spinks, 15 in the 1861 census ties in agewise with the Richard Norbury in the 1851 census.
Am I going round in circles here?
Jill

Son of Stephen, who dies the same quarter and year (maybe)

Births Jun 1845
SPINKS Richard Birmingham 16 355

Where was Stephen Spinks in 1851 (unless that was his death?)

Can't find a birth for George Norbury c1850. That might help matters.

Have you got Elizabeth Spinks/Norbury on the 1861. I have been looking for a death for her but FreeBMD is playing up at the moment.

Edit:
possible

Deaths Jun 1859
SPINKS Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 67