Genealogy Chat

I am totally gob smacked Maureen!!!
Who would ever have thought it?
I've got to look at it spread out - or is it me that is spread out?
I think my head hurts, but in a nice way.
Thanks a heap!
Another giant leap for my kind...
I really can't wait for the cert now
cheers
Jill

I'll leave you in peace "til the certs arrive,but just wanted to say that I think you'll find that your John ROATH married 3 times-first to Rose* who dies in 1869,then Dessey Sargent in 1870(she dies as Dessy ROATH) and then to Harriet Oakley in 1877.
Following them on the census isn't too bad as he always seems to turn up as a "burnisher" of some sort.

Good luck!!!

Maureen

I'm having trouble taking all this in! Thanks everyone for letting me confuse you.
Now then.... this is what I KNOW
John Roath b 1841 m Roseanna Norberry Edith Spinks Aug 1857
their son is
George Frederick Roath b 1857 (b cert) m. Alice Inwood 1882 (m cert)
his son is Bertram (Bertie) Roath b 1886 my granddad - I knew and loved him well.

The John Roath married to Dessey on the 1871 census is a red herring. He is not my proven relation but sprang to my attention because MY George and Alice called their daughter Dessey.

I am working from the top info and waiting for Rosanna and John's m cert.
HOWEVER I do believe there is ANOTHER George Frederick Roath born in North Wales.
Sigh.....
Thanks a lot everyone
cheers,
Jill

Deaths Jun 1845
SPINKS Stephen Birmingham 16 2[42]7

If Stephen died, did Elizabeth remarry? Maybe a Mr Norberry?

Possible sister
MARY ANN SPINKS
Birth: 13 JAN 1842
Christening: 08 AUG 1842 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England

Father: STEPHEN SPINKS
Mother: ELIZABETH

John ROATH,not George??? (as Roseanna's husband)
That looks like the same family in 1861 and 1871-just minus James in 1861 and maybe a new wife..
I need to lie down.

Maureen

EDIT: Deaths Dec 1869
Roath Rosannah 29 Birmingham 6d 67

I've got James Roath age 15 on the 1871 census
son of John and Dessy Roath.
I have never looked up Rothe - I wonder why?
Jill

Oooh, hello! What's this then?
It looks promising, but I've got to sit and think about it for a bit....
I'v eonly got George, John and Elizabeth as the children of Roseanna Norberry Edith Spinks and George Roath. I can't think what to look for until I get the marriage cert of Roseanna and George which will be posted on Nov 3rd.
Thanks so much, Maureen! i'm thinking - honest.
cheers
Jill

Good luck with the certs!
In the meantime,this progression caught my eye:
1851 Ancestry
Name: Rose Norbury
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Philip
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Norbury 45
Rose Norbury 11
Richard Norbury 6
George Norbury 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2055; Folio: 285; Page: 11

1861 Ancestry
Name: Richard Spinks
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Occupation:Electro plater

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 11

Household schedule number: 76
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Spinks 15
James Rothe 4 nephew
Martha Esson 21
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2135; Folio: 133; Page: 13

Is that James ROTHE one of Rose's children???

Maureen

I am beside myself with anticipation - and the postal strike WOULD have to be on just now..... I was nearly as excited about actually ordering online as about getting the cert (well not really, but it was nearly good fun!)
cheers
Jill

Make sure you update us Jill!
Jan

Couldn't wait!!!
Ordered the marriage cert on line successfully this morning!!
Thanks for tips and prods.
Watch this space!
love
Jill

OOops! I thought I had replied and I hadn't.
Thank you so much for all the advice and thoughts.
I was getting excited for a minute there!

Will go and count the pennies and get the marriage cert - or both. On second thoughts, I'll pay by card - that isn't like real money.....

I'll let you know what I find. Can't do it tomorrow as I have quilting group.
What about the postal strike? I suppose it will just take a bit longer if they come out on strike Thursday - Saturday.

Thanks again for all the advice and help - and excitement
cheers
Jill
Oh, I have replied twice so you get twice the thanks!

You are good to me! Thanks so much. I'll count the pennies and let you know what happens. Can't do it tomorrow as I run a quilting group and have to prepare for that.
Hmm. I wonder what we do in our spare time?
Grow family trees - that's what!
cheers
Jill

You need to access the GRO (general records office) site:
www.gro.gov.uk/
Have a pen and paper ready as you need to register and will need password for the next time! You also need a payment method.
Just follow the instructions. CAUTION be precise with ref numbers year and quarter - they are not very flexible! Certs cost 7 quid, not too bad.
You MUST tell us what you find.
Jan
PS what are holidays? Is there life outside family tree research? Surely not.

Order online from www.gro.gov.uk and never pay more than £7.00.

You may find that Norberry is Roseannah's grandmother's maiden name, or that it is a family name handed down. I have a George Lindergreen (or Lindegren) Jenkins Baker in my tree. Jenkins is his mother's maiden name, and Lindergreen is....well, I'm still trying to figure that one out...!

Report back with the details when you have the certs!

Sue

Thanks for that!
Father Christmas says OK...
(dont' drink, don't smoke, don't go out for meals, haven't been on holiday for several years, etc etc etc!)
Never thought I'd get my kicks from expensive bits of green and pink paper. I haven't ordered one on line before, could you just remind me how to go about it please?
Cheers
Jill

Well, the birth will get both parents, and might just give a clue to the Norberry name, who knows? On the other hand the marriage might help with her name too, and witnesses might also offer clues! With this lot, you need all the help you can get. What about an early Christmas present and treat yourself to both! Seriously, I always feel inclined to go back in time so personally I'd get marriage first if it were me.
Jan

I thought ROATH would be an easy name, but it is throwing problems up all along the road.
Someone told me that the name was ROTH earlier in the 1800s, but I haven't got that far yet.
And now I get Rosehannah ......
Keep me in mind please!
Will get certs - in what priority? Her birth cert first I suppose?
cheers and many thanks,
Jill

I know this is a bit late, but just to focus us (OK, me!)

1861 England Census

Name: Roseana Roath
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas

Name Age
John Roath 22
Roseana Roath 20
George Roath 3
John Roath 12 Mo
Elizabeth Roath 3 Mo

If ever anyone needed a cert or two it's you! Who would think this name could be so much trouble!!

Jan