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Thank you. Maybe I should try to find a marriage for Thomas and Margaret in Ireland, any ideas where to go to find it please.

I think getting Rosetta's birth cert is the only way you will be able to go back . I cannot find a marriage for Thomas and Margaret - maybe they never married or maybe (given that Margaret was born in Ireland) they married there.

There is a possible death for Thomas's first wife Caroline on freebmd in 1855.

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Thomas Junior is living with sister Harriet in 1881.

Name: Thomas H. Archer
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Newington, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Newington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 26 Runham St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 20a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William B. Hall 35
Harriet Hall 30
William T. Hall 11
Thomas H. Archer 15

ok...... Ive gone through the bits you have all kindly posted and am now certain that we have the correct Thomas and Margaret and that Thomas was most definately married to Caroline first. I have also looked up Rosetta bSept 1859 on this site but no mothers maiden name unfortunately so still stuck for a bit. Is there way of going back further with Thomas and Margaret without sending for certificates as its so costly. Thank you all x

Hi. If you are in the London area, go to the London Metropolitan Archives after Nov 16th where you can search all the 'Ancient' local church records, ie, before 1837. LMA is closed for stocktaking until that date. Jim

please dont think I'm ignoring your help.....its wonderful. Just sifting thro' it all to see what ties up. Thank you..x

Can not find any baptism records with parents Thomas & Margaret. I only found Clara (if he was married before Margaret) mothers name Caroline.

Name: Clara Caroline Archer
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 13 Jan 1850
Father's Name: Thomas Archer
Mother's Name: Caroline Archer
Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Borough: Hackney

Sharon

Looks like Thomas was married before:

1851 England Census
about Thomas Archer
Name: Thomas Archer
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Archer 28
Caroline Archer 30 - b Brixton
Harriett Archer 4
Clarence Archer 1 - name on image is difficult to read but is a daughter, so not Clarence; could be Claressie?

You need to get the birth cert of Rosetta to confirm Margaret's maiden name.

Births Sep 1859 (>99%)
ARCHER Rosetta Margaret St George S 1d 117

In the above census, there is a George Archer living next door - he, like Thomas is plumber. Possibly brothers?

If thats the correct family Potty has posted in 1861...this is probably the birth reg of youngest child Rosetta.........this will confirm mothers maiden name.

Births Sep 1859 (>99%)
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ARCHER Rosetta Margaret St George S 1d 117



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The marriage that Janet posted does not seem to be your Margaret. Margaret Stuckey married Thomas Taylor. Thomas Archer married Harriet Beazley, so it is not the Margaret you are looking for.

I am having problems finding their marriage.

Sharon

Is this the family in 1861 - the address is actually 2 Blackhorse Court, which seems to be off Kent St. Ignore the Bethnal Green in her POB, the image is Ireland and in another census Ireland, Cork is given:
1861 England Census
about Margaret Archer
Name: Margaret Archer
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, Ireland

Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: Trinity Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 238
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Archer 38
Margaret Archer 34
Harriet Archer 12
Clara Archer 10
Kate Archer 6
Rosetta Archer 1

Can you put details of the children on here? As Janet says, a birth cert is the safest route.
Jan

PS there is a possible marriage here, but definitely get that birth cert:

Marriages Mar 1860
Archer Thomas W. London 1c 110
Beazley Harriet W.London 1c 110
Stuckey Margaret W. London 1c 110
Sutton Henry W. London 1c 110
Taylor Thomas W. London 1c 110

Thankyou. I know she married Thomas Archer around 1854 at a guess.

You need to find the marriage first. This would give you a clue as it should give the fathers' names.

Alternatively; the birth certificate of one of the children should give you Margarets' mother's maiden name.

Where did she say she was born? You could look for her baptism record.

Janet

Where can I find births prior to 1837. I am looking for the birth of Margaret born c 1826 probably around Southark, Bermondsey area of London. She was wife of Thomas Archer b c1824 and in the 1861 census they were living in 2 Kent Street Newington. I really need to find Margarets maiden name as Im stuck with this family now and not sure how to get further back. I'd appreciate some advise please.