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This man was baptised at Walsall 1794, married at St George the Martyr, Southwark 1814. I have bits & bobs of his family but cannot find him and wife Mary Jane in either 1841 or 51 census's. Despite trying all variations I can think of, no joy. Can anybody suggest any other means I can try please? Jim

Name: Alfred James Bayliss
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 29 Dec 1816
Father's Name: James Thomas Newton Bayliss
Mother's Name: Mary Bayliss
Parish: Saint George The Martyr
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex


Christening may help find on later census

I can't find a death for James after 1837 , so wonder if he died prior to that which would explain his absence from 1841 census?

This looks like Alfred in 1851 ..... no sign of James

1851 Census

Name: Alfred Bayliss
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: St George East

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerstone West
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerstone West

Alfred Bayliss 30 Unmarried, Labourer

Address:- 8 York Place


sharing house with two other unmarried men



sylvia

Many Thanks to you both for your input. I have tried Alfred James route but have also drawn a blank there. And, Yes, it is the right child baptised at St George The Martyr. The name on census's has obviously been mistranscribed as people never wrote it themselves at that time.
My G Grandfather was born c1837/8 so likely that JTNB was still with the family. His wife Mary Jane died 1854 and I can't find her either.
The Alfred at St George in the East parish is definitely not the right one.
Jim

James do you have any idea where Mary jane was born?

I did wonder about this for Mary showing on image as a widow,

Name: Mary Bayless
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Southwark Christ Church
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Sudman 60
Frederic Sudman 20
Isaac Bennett 26
William Merrett 23
Elizabeth Taft 58
Mary Bayless 60

James on the baptism image for Alfred James Bayliss I noted that JTNB was a cabinet maker,

just looking through marriages I found this one, as you see the father is JT Bayliss cabinet maker ?

Name: Frederick James Bayliss ( chair maker)
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Spouse Name: Charlotte Hudson
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Dec 1839
Parish: Saint Mary, Newington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: James Thomas Bayliss ** Cabinet maker
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Hudson

and this is the 1851 census for that Frederick James ( chair manufacturer employing one man) and family

1851 England Census
about Fredrick Baylis
Name: Fredrick Baylis
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: St. Georges, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 82
Household Members: Name Age
Fredrick Baylis 30
Charlotte Baylis 29
Charlotte Baylis 10
Mary Ann Baylis 8
William Baylis 3
Elizabeth Baylis 1


Don't know if this helps at all :)

Hello Rambling Rose,
Many Thanks for your look ups. Re Frederick James and Charlotte, I have their marriage details and also their census. You are right to suggest that he maybe a correct son from the information available & I would just love to put him into my tree but as you can imagine, I am a little pernickety and want it to be absolutely correct.
You may be interested to know that I have 3 definite sons to this couple and all have James as a middle name which suggests that Frederick is from the same. The names I can be sure of from their Bap or marriage certs are Alfred, William and George.
As for the Mary Bayless you found, I can't add anything there as she is a visitor but Mary Jane does not seem to have been a common name and the one I found in burials at St Giles, Camberwell gives her age as 56 so born c 1798. I will go to Kew at some stage as the street index in the census's can be looked at which may give some clue to who she was living with.
If you have any further thoughts on how to find JTNB & Mary J in the 1841 or 1851 I would be very happy to hear them.
Thanks again for your input - Jim