Genealogy Chat

Its likely that the birth father signed a declaration to the effect that he was the father. As a divorcee she wouldn't have to give her previous married name but the birth would be registered in both mother and fathers names as they weren't married.

Hope that makes sense!

Sue,

Can you PM me the details so I can take a look?

Rose

Julie


you are right ........................ for these days



but not for then!




Then, if a couple was not married, the name of the father would be on the birth certificate only if he also went to the registrar (or sent some sort of written notice) acknowledging that he was the father.

In those days (I don't know about the UK now) ............ a man named on the birth certificate or who acknowledged that he was the father would be forced by the Parish to support the mother and child in the event that she tried to go onto Parish Relief. Most did not want to do that!



Of course, some women said they were married, and gave the name of their husband. Just as now, they didn't have to show a marriage certificate as proof. BUT most of them did live in much smaller places than now, and their situation would often be common knowledge.


And of course, common-law couples, then just as now, were accepted as equivalent to married.




In the case of a woman who was married, but separated (or widowed), and who had a child by another man ............... it was assumed that the baby was fathered by the husband and his name was put on the certificate. I saw one case where a woman had 3 children after her husband died .... the last one 10 years after ....... and he was named as the father on all 3 certificates.





I don't know what happens now in the UK ................... but OH registered our baby when she was born here in Canada. Granted, I was still in the hospital.

i think you'll find you are wrong there Sylvia

Me & my OH aren't married and both our children are registered under both our surnames

Thank you all

Sue

One reason why there is a cross reference in the index is when the father and mother are not married(to each other) but register the birth together.
If you buy the cert. it will become clear.

Thanks for replies, sorry for late acknowledgement I have been away from my laptop.

More details.

The birth mother was divorced from husband no 1. she had the child before she married husband No.2. Her married name does not appear just her maiden name and her second husbands surname.

The entries read (Maiden) or (Future Husband) yet she was neither at the time of the birth.

Does that make sense?

Sorry I am not able to state the names but these are NOT in my tree and it's a favour to a friend and all parties are living.

Thanks

Sue

In the volume page info of the birth registration. For page No given. Is it a number, or does it say ie see page J46.

If the later then there will be a further birth registration for this person. The 46 in see J46 denotes which year (ie 1946) that the other registration will be found.

Steve
:o)

The child was born before the mother was married, and was registered in her maiden name.

She then married, and they went to re-register the baby in the father's surname


whichever one you order, you will get the same certificate.


If you found it on www.freebmd, it is possible to look at the original entry, and you might then be able to see the reference from one to the other registration




sylvia

Maybe one of my scenarios may help

My great aunt married, had 2 children.
Both are in the index under her married name with her maiden name in the mothers maiden name column.

She then left her husband and had an affair. She had a child with this other man.
The child is listed in the index under her married name, and her boyfriends name

When she registered the birth, she put her name as mother, and included her maiden name.
She put her boyfriends name as the father

In your case, I would think that the child was born before she married the father, but included his name as father.
When the index was compiled, it was cross referenced under both her name and the fathers name.

Without knowing the details of the surnames it's difficult to speculate.

I've seen 2 different maiden names listed where the mother of the child included her stepfather's surname as well as her birth surname.

Rose

Hi Sue, someone else asking the same question here, maybe the answers will help to solve your problem too. Fingers crossed.


http://tinyurl.com/yer7dwe

I have found a birth entry which states the mother's surname as either her maiden name or future married name.

In the registers both entries are shown with the same vol and page number.

Can someone please explain.

Thanks

Sue