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Nice one Choccy!

Thanks Choccy you might be right that she is living next door but it says she was born in Dudley, that makes three birthplaces. Gets more complicated. Thanks everyone for your help.

a coincidence ?

living next door to James Cuzick in 1891

1891 England Census
Name: Magerie Williams
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Dudley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Edmunds
Town: Dudley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Shaw 42
Edith Shaw 16
George Shaw 15
Mary A Shaw 12
Elizabeth Shaw 11
Mark Shaw 9
Lydia Shaw 6
Benjamin Collins 50
Magerie Williams 16 *****************




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2294; Folio 54; Page 23; GSU roll: 6097404.

The chances are that as she married in Staffordshire she was working there in 1891. This is a maybe. She was only around 17 when she married

Margaret Williams
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Durliegh; Wicham
Civil parish: Handsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Barker 37
Emela Barker 31
Ernest Alb Barker 9
Bertram Barker 7
William Lonsdale Barker 5
Ethel May Barker 11/12
Margaret Williams 15

Her address on the marriage certificate is 16 New Hall Street, Dudley.

Thanks for the meaning of Fitz. The name of her last child where she indicated her maiden name as Fitzwilliams was Lord George Cuzick.

Sorry, it was on the 1901 census that said she was born in London not marriage certificate. The witnesses on the certificate are family members from the Cuzick side. She was only 18. The address was the address of another member of the Cuzick family.

Maybe it's her address? Won't be birthplace though as you say.

If you share the address it might be possible to locate who is living there 1881, or with some spadework 1891!!

Jan

You say her marriage certificate says she was born London but I didn't think a marriage certificate showed place of birth.

No more clues from marriage cert I am guessing? Address, witnesses maybe?
Jan

That's my problem Julie she wasn't married on the previous census and with a name like Margaret Williams its impossible to find her. Then of course I don't know if she was born in London or Cumbria. All I know is that her father was John Williams and he had died by the time she was married in 1892.

Maybe she didn't lie & no-one heard her say the Fitz part

Have you traced her back further than the 1901 census

My gr gr grandmother is shown on her marriage certificate as Margaret Williams born in London. She married James Cuzick in 1892. On the birth certifcates of her first four children she states her maiden name as Williams. On the birth certificate for her last child she states her maiden name as Fitzwilliams. To confuse matters further on the 1901 census she states she was born in London but on the 1911 cencus is says she was born in Ulverston in Cumbria. Can anyone help with an explanation for why she felt the need to lie?

Pam