Genealogy Chat

Michael are you aware that John Arthur Brealey(b Wortley) joined the army in 1900
and his next of kin was his mother Fanny Brearley living in Burnley
the 1901 census shows his parents Arthur and Fanny Brearley living in Burnley

He was discharged from the Army in 1902 and is described as being incorriglble and worthless, his record shows imprisonment

I found this on ancestry

Thanks, mgnv, for that clarification.

I think, though, that a lot of schedules must have been completed by the enumerators because many people were illiterate, but as literacy improved over the years there would be far fewer of these in 1901 or 1911 than in 1841 or 1851.

But I agree that being recorded twice is not uncommon - and it happens these days with electoral registers.

I have one of mine on the census twice..1 in London and the other in Brighton

Far from unusual to have people recorded twice on census returns.......I've lost count of the number I've found in just my own tree.

Now despite my VAST experience and VAST knowledge (ha, ha), I never knew that census forms were distributed a few days before the census. That now explains why my Thomas Holland and his wife (who may not have been his wife anyway) were in two different locations on the same night. The two locations were about 50 miles apart. Now to work out which location they were really in and WHY?

Subject for another thread, I think.

Margaret

Reading AllanC's post might give the impression that 1911 was conducted in a difft manner from the earlier censuses. Actually, what's difft abt 1911 is that the original forms still exist, whereas for earlier censuses all we have are the enumerator's transcriptions.

"Each registrar’s sub-district was divided into a number of enumeration districts, each of which was the responsibility of an enumerator. The enumerator delivered a form known as a schedule to each household a few days before census night, and collected the completed schedules the day after. The schedules were then sorted, and the details copied into the census enumerators’ books. It is these books which have survived for 1841 to 1901 and which can be seen today online or on microform. The original householders' schedules were later destroyed with the exception of 1911. Special schedules were provided for vessels and institutions."

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=326

Before 1911 census details were collected by enumerators over a period of several days either side of the census date so it was quite easy for people on the move to be counted twice or, conversely, not counted at all. In 1911 householders filled in their own forms and were told the information should relate to census night - whether or not they read the instructions properly is another matter; from the alterations on some of the images I've seen they obviously didn't. So it's theoretically less likely, though still possible as mgnv suggests, for someone to be on the 1911 census twice.
Birthplaces can be misleading, particularly for visitors/boarders; the householder may have guessed rather than asked, or misheard if they did ask. Could Wortley/Workley be Worsley? Although that's in Lancashire, not Yorkshire.

Happens with some regularity - the forms were dropped off a couple of days before Sunday midnight, and he filled them out, then had to go to his parents on a family emergency is one scenario.

I once came across a guy that lived on the edge of an enumeration district, and his whole family was enumerated twice - once at their front door, and by a different enumerator at their back door.

googled - Wortley - S.Yorkshire
Workley not coming up at all

1881 dob here on the 1881 census - Where is Wortley?

Thomas BRIERLEY Head M Male 25 Bolton, Lancashire, England Cotton Operative
Jane BRIERLEY Wife M Female 25 Manchester, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
Joseph BRIERLEY Son Male 17 m Sharples, Lancashire, England
John BRIERLEY Son Male 2 m Sharples, Lancashire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 23 Bk. Holland St
Census Place Little Bolton, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341915
Public Records Office Reference RG11

Could one of my ancestors be on the 1911 census twice in different locations? BMD shows only one John Arthur Brearley born September Quarter 1881 Wortley District. I have found him on the 1911 census - age 29 occupation woollen weaver- listed with his parents Arthur and Fanny and shown as married but no wife or children listed.
I have now found John Arthur Brearley age 29 occupation Woollen Weaver with wife Mary A and daughter Elizabeth listed as boarders in the house of a William Langley Police Constable in Huddersfield. John A Brearley's place of birth is given as 'Workley' Yorkshire. So can he be in two places at once , one with his parents and one with a policeman who can's spell his place of birth? - do I assume it's the same person?

Thanks, I think Iam dealing with the same guy here.

There is a record of a marriage in Huddersfield which is where they were boarding in 1911

According to Bren from Oldham it looks like our Arthur wa a bit of a naughty boy.