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Hello Yvonne: I don't have Louis on my tree, I just happen to be doing a quick search for a descendant of his. This Louis Apted married Sarah Ann Hawkins in Sydney, Australia, in 1901 (cert. no. 7983). Louis's death was registered at Tamworth NSW in 1939 (cert. no. 12362) and his age appears on the online death record as "78 years", which would make his dob c1861. Does that compute with your Louis?

I have not determined yet when or how this LA arrived in Oz.

Regards
Bob

Thanks so much for your help Ivy. I had never been able to find any info on Caroline Apted before. I still dont know what happened to Edward after 1861 or Louis after 1881, its very confusing. But thanks again for your help

Older sister Caroline appears to stay in this country, marrying a solicitor William J Gadsden in 1867:

1871:
Name: Caroline Gadsden
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William J
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone
Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Household schedule number: 166
Household Members:
Name Age
William J Gadsden 32
Caroline Gadsden 33 (b Marylebone)
William J Gadsden 3 (b Holborn)
Ernest J Gadsden 11 months (b Holborn)
Edward H Crane 3 (nephew b St Pancras) <<<son of Josephine Crane nee Apted (m Edward H Crane 1865)
Lonisa Broun 68 (servant)
Edward T Turnbull 22 (boarder)
Henry Higgs 21 (boarder)
Class: RG10; Piece: 295; Folio: 52; Page: 31

1881:
Name: William J. Gadiden
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William J.
Gender: Male
Where born: London Holborn , London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 41 Elmore St
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Household Members:
Name Age
William J. Gadiden 42
Caraline Gadiden 43 (b Marylebone)
William J. Gadiden 13
Earnest J Gadiden 10 (b Holborn)
Josephine C. Godsden 7 (niece)
Herbert Glanville 26 (lodger)
Tom Brown 24 (lodger)
Class: RG11; Piece: 250; Folio: 74; Page: 50

1891:
Name: Caroline Gadson
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William J
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone, London, England

Civil parish: Hornsey
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Hornsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 17

Household Members:
Name Age
William J Gadson 51
Caroline Gadson 51
William J Gadson 23 (b Holborn)
Ernest J Gadson 20 (b Holborn)
Charles Gadson 11 (nephew b Clerkenwell)
Dorothy Alfred 5 (niece b Islington) <<< Apted on image? ( letter "t" not crossed - possible child of Louis?)
Class: RG12; Piece: 1062; Folio 125; Page 24

Similarly, his elder brother Edward disappears after 1861

(born London approx 1845)

- possible references on Ancestry to Edward Apted in Canada and in Australia?

If the "Louisa" on the 1881 census above is your ancestor, the 30 year gap has narrowed (!) to the twenty years from 1881 to 1901.

Does anyone have worldwide Ancestry? There are a couple of references from Ontario Canada (unlikely, since he mentions NZ and Victoria, but worth a look just to rule out?)

There don't seem to be any likely references on the UK emigration index, but the records on FMP only start from 1890; he may have left between 1881 and 1890?

You obviously know his date of birth, but this was on Free BMD:
Births Jun 1860   (>99%)
APPED, Louis, Pancras, 1b, 37
Original scan not clear but is Apted.
  

Possible death for father:

Name: Edward Apted
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 76
District: Islington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 190

1891 for father?
Name: Edward Apted
Age: 76
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: Upper Holloway St Stephen
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Upper Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: Islington Workhouse
Class: RG12; Piece: 150; Folio 65; Page 2

Possible in 1881:

Name: Edward Aptel <<<< image looks more like Apted
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone

Civil parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 22 Cleveland Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married <<< enumerator has omitted "married" from some of the wives on the page; a supervisor has written a capital M in the box; for Edward, the supervisor has written the capital M over a word written by the enumerator, making it difficult to read; I think the enumerator wrote head in both this box and in the "relation to head of the family" box to the left

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 6

Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Aptel 66
James Aptel 23
Louisa Aptel 21 <<<<< the "a" crossed out on image; male, son
Louisa Jackson 33 daur, W (widowed)
Chas. Jackson 10
Mary Dunn 51
Chas. Dunn 10
Class: RG11; Piece: 250; Folio: 109; Page: 39

Perhaps they began to move after their mother died?

Name: Josephine Apted
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 59
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 61 (click to see others on page)

1871:
Name: Edward Apled
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Josephina
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Gray
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Apled 57
Josephina Apled 54
Samuel Apled 18
James Apled 13
Lewis Apled 10
Class: RG10; Piece: 214; Folio: 7; Page: 5

1861:
Name: Amn Apted
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras

Civil parish: Islington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 31

Household schedule number: 97
Household Members:
Name Age
Edw Apted 46
Josepha Apted 43
Caroline Apted 23
Josepine Apted 18
Edwd Apted 16
Louisa Apted 13
Henry Apted 11
Sam Apted 8
James Apted 4
Louis Apted 1 b St Pancras
Amn Apted 1
Class: RG9; Piece: 130; Folio: 9; Page: 16

Hi Yvonne,

It might help to track his siblings, to see when he might have left the UK?
Are these his family?

1841:
Name: Edwd Apled
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St James
Hundred: Westminster
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: St James Westminster
Sub-registration district: Golden Square

Household Members:
Name Age
Edwd Apled 30
Josephine Apled 23
Class: HO107; Piece 735; Book: 2; Civil Parish: St James; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 7; Page: 6

1851:
Name: Edward Apted
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Josephine
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Giles in The Fields
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St Giles South
ED, institution, or vessel: 6

Household schedule number: 252
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Apted 36
Josephine Apted 35
Josephine Apted 8
Edward Apted 6
Louisa Apted 4
Henry Apted 3
James Apted 6
Class: HO107; Piece: 1508; Folio: 313; Page: 55

I am researching my Grandfather Louis Apted (born in St Pancras London on 4/4/1860, died in Tamworth NSW Australia 12/6/1939). I am able to trace him in the census from 1861 and 1871 but nothing more till he married Sarah Ann Hawkins in Sydney Australia in 1901. There are no records for him at all. His death cert says that he spent time in New Zealand and Victoria Aust on his way to NSW but cant find anything there either.

Also on his wifes death certificate it says he was a widow at the time of their marriage but cannot find any record of an earlier marriage. Any ideas on where to check next?

Thanks Yvonne