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Linda

I've checked certificates and no he's not a witness. Arthur married Johanna Silley and Matthew married Alice Helena Amos.

thanks again

Catherine

Linda

Yes thanks they are Ernest's brothers. Ernest just does not seem to appear anywhere after 1891- that is why I'm wondering if he emigrated.

thank you so much for helping.

Catherine

marriages for brothers, wonder if he was a witness?

Emily Bingham 1898 Hendon (1837-1947) Middlesex
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<<<Arthur Messenger 1898 Hendon (1837-1947) Middlesex
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<<< Johanna Silley 1898 Hendon (1837-1947) Middlesex
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James Weller 1898 Hendon (1837-1947) Middlesex
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,,,Alice Helena Amos 1898 Kensington Greater London, London, Middlesex
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,,,, Matthew James Messenger 1898 Kensington Greater London, London, Middlesex

Ann

Thanks yes 1881 Census if the right Ernest.

Thank you for looking.

Catherine

Linda

Thanks for replying.

No this is not the Ernest I'm looking for. I ordered the certiciate but it was a different Ernest.

thanks

Catherine

2 of his brothers

1901 England Census
about Arthur Messenger
Name: Arthur Messenger
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Johanna
Gender: Male
Where born: S Kensington, London, England

Civil parish: Gillingham
Ecclesiastical parish: New Brompton St Mark
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Gillingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 68
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Messenger 27
Johanna Messenger 23
Ethel M Messenger 2
Methew Messenger 31
Alice Messenger 30
Constance Messenger 7 months

Choccy

Many thanks for replying. Yes that is the correct Ernest in1891 Census.

However I orderded the death certiciate( Fulham 1900) and it was not the correct Ernest.

Many thanks

Catherine

there is this marriage

Name: Ernest Messenger
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 611

same district as that posted for possible death of Ernest


Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
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Messenger Mary Ann 57 Fulham 1a 353



Deaths Dec 1893 (>99%)
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Messenger Matthew 60 Fulham 1a 178

Ann

Thanks for replying. No this is not the Ernest I'm looking for. In 1881 and 1891 he is still living with his parents Matthew and Mary Ann and his siblings Matthew, Arthur and Emily. I believe Matthew (father) and Mary Ann died in the early 1890's.

Many thanks
Catherine

there's this

Deaths Jun 1900 (>99%)
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Messenger Ernest 23 Fulham 1a 138

1891 England Census
Name: Ernest Messinger
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Matthew
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, London, England

Civil parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephens
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Matthew Messinger 57
Mary A Messinger 55
Emily K Messinger 22
Matthew J Messinger 21
Arthur Messinger 17
Ernest Messinger 14




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 42; Folio 97; Page 9; GSU roll: 6095152.

oops - 1881 - this is hm!

Matthew MESSENGER Head M Male 46 Windsor, Berkshire, England Butcher
Mary Ann MESSENGER Wife M Female 44 London, Middlesex, England
Emily R. MESSENGER Daur U Female 13 London, Middlesex, England
Matthew J. MESSENGER Son U Male 11 London, Middlesex, England
Arthur MESSENGER Son U Male 7 London, Middlesex, England
Ernest MESSENGER Son U Male 4 London, Middlesex, England
Ann WHEABLE Servant Female 15 London, Middlesex, England Dom
Matilda HEATH Other M Female 42 London, Middlesex, England Stock Keeper


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Source Information:
Dwelling 2 Bute Street
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341011
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0048 / 17
Page Number 10

Ernest was born in Kensington, London in 1876. I have located him in the 1881 and 1891 census returns but from then can find no further trace. I have thoroughly searched the marriage and death indexes and the 1911 census. His parents were called Matthew and Mary Ann Messenger.

I am wondering if Ernest emigrated - how is the best way of finding this out?


regards Catherine